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Tampa Bay Bucs Fire Jon Gruden, Bruce Allen

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BuckeyeMafia;1383666; said:
Gruden has had 3 straight December collapses. If you want the guy who goes from 9-3 to 9-7 every year, good luck.
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without a defense he'll be lucky to go 8-8 every year. Gruden has missed the playoffs 4 out of the last 6 years.... I can't understand why people think he's so great.
 
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considering the Bucs had close to 30 mil to spend under the cap, and the Glazers were to cheap to spend no matter how they spin it. Maybe the Glazers should focus less on European soccer and more on developing the talent for their next coach.

Gruden has done well with the talent he's had. Yes, they limped down the stretch run, but it also coincided with Monte saying he wasn't coming back and Jeff Garcia missing a significant amount of games.

That 30 mil was the difference between a playoff team, and a team that couldn't close.

Look out for Gruden to Notre Dame talk now.....
 
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Brutus1;1383654; said:
Sure he would have won it. How could they have taken a huge step back yet scored more points in 2002 ?
where are you getting your info? The offense scored more and the defense gave up less in Grudens first year than in Dungys last.

You might not like Gruden but he's far from a bum.
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not stats... the attitude of the team....

Gruden is not well liked by many people in the organization. He treats staff, players and employees of the Bucs like shit. I know several people within the organization (marketing, promotions) and not one person is very fond of him. I've had two personal experiences with him and he was an absolute prick.
 
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billmac91;1383678; said:
considering the Bucs had close to 30 mil to spend under the cap, and the Glazers were to cheap to spend no matter how they spin it. Maybe the Glazers should focus less on European soccer and more on developing the talent for their next coach.
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I know a lot of people figured they were going to keep Gruden on as long as the Bucs we doing "OK" because they were just worried about the soccer side of their business.
 
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LoKyBuckeye;1383621; said:
are you guys kidding? Gruden is BUM. He won a Super Bowl with Dungy's players... the guy is a total ego maniac that treats his players like shit. He still claims to be an "offensive genius" but his teams constantly underachieve.... he should have been fire a few years ago except Monte Kiffen's defense save his job.... Kiffen leaves and Gruden is fired.... it's not a coincidence.
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A lot of the Tressel haters wanted this clown back in 2001....
 
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Re: It didn't help Gruden that, in the words of one NFL source Friday night, "He was Hillary Clinton there." In other words, he'd always have a solid core of support, but there would always be a large, polarized part of the public (and ownership, perhaps) who wouldn't be in his corner. And he'd never work to win over the media or the fans who didn't buy his workaholic, everyman schtick.

Morris likely to replace Gruden as Bucs' coach - Peter King - SI.com

Hillary Clinton?......:biggrin:
 
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JXC;1383622; said:
Mangini sucks. Worst hire ever. Except maybe Weis at Notre Dame. I guess we just feel differently about Gruden.
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scoffs at your worst hire ever remark
 
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LoKyBuckeye;1383621; said:
are you guys kidding? Gruden is BUM. He won a Super Bowl with Dungy's players... the guy is a total ego maniac that treats his players like shit. He still claims to be an "offensive genius" but his teams constantly underachieve.... he should have been fire a few years ago except Monte Kiffen's defense save his job.... Kiffen leaves and Gruden is fired.... it's not a coincidence.
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Ouuuuuuuu, can we get him hired at Notre Dame? Wouldn't it be fun to watch the fire as Offensive Cordinator Gruden and HRM Charlie Weissass prance and pout along the sidelines?
 
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The local talk radio in Tampa / St. Pete had been calling for Gruden's head for about 3 years.

One thing I always thought plagued the Bucs was terrible drafting at the offensive skill positions. At WR, RB, and QB, they've struck out again and again. Chris Sims was a terrible pick and it eventually got to the point that they were relying on Gradkowski (though Sims did have one pretty good year and was ultimately done in by a terrible injury). Garcia is a serviceable QB, but only when he's surrounded by plenty of talent, which he's never been. Cadillac Williams had never proven he could be an every down back in college, and, since he's been in the NFL, he's further proven his body can't handle that kind of damage. And their draft picks at WR have been just terrible.

I've also always thought Chuckie had a bit of what I will now refer to as "RichRod syndrom," which is an inability or stubborn refusal to alter your offensive scheme so as to mold it around the personnel you actually have. He tries to run this overly-complicated offensive scheme, but is constantly changing his signal caller, so no one ever gets settled in the offense. He even tried to impose this system on Gradkowski when he was struggling just with the basics, and it killed the Bucs that season.

I imagine this move will ultimately be welcomed in Tampa / St. Pete. I think they'll go with a young coach and be patient so they can rebuild over the course of several years. The basics are already there--good young players on the defensive side of the ball and a strong, young offensive line. But they also have a LOT of work to do with the offensive skill positions, and they've got plenty of aging players who play a prominent role on defense.

And yea, I gotta go with Loky on this one. Report after report that Gruden was an egomaniacal prick that treated pretty much everyone like shit.
 
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