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I wouldn't have nearly the problem with a Texas rematch. Rematches against rivals are the worst. There is so much more at stake than a simple W and you are asked to put that all on the line in exchange for nothing.
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OHIOBUCK
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I know, I know, I know . . . I get it . .. We've herd a billion reasons & scenarios as to why we should not rematch with scUM, and I agree with most of them. But there's one imperiously nagging thought I can't shake, what are the odds of ever getting THIS chance again in our faithful Buckeye lives to witness such an attack on the MazingBlow... Kicking their tail TWICE in one season ?. . . C'mon Guys, that is golden as heck. That's why, IF < IF > they hold on to a convincing #poop, I have no trouble with such an opportunity . . . we are high & beyond a much better team. NOFEAR.
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WolverineTX
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sandgk;667495; said:
Heh.
Yeah, I'm not surprised Ventre conveniently neglected to mention Notre Dame in that situation, given that (back in September) he picked the USC/ND winner to face tOSU in Glendale. Yet, he's consistently touting them as a contender with no mention of their schedule. I think the man's just confused.
On the other hand, perhaps he just enjoys contradicting himself.
If not for Wisconsin (#8 BCS, #9 Harris, #9 Coaches'), that statement would actually be correct.
I wonder how he reaches this conclusion. Since the loss in South Bend, the Irish have won eight straight -- including three games against service academies and against three opponents with winning records [Purdue (8-4), Navy (8-3), UCLA (6-5)].
Now, let's employ his same line of earlier reasoning using Notre Dame as the example:
Michigan only played three ranked teams and beat two. On the other hand, Notre Dame only played three ranked teams, and beat two (under his scenario). Oh, and lost to Michigan.
Mr. Ventre, there are vastly better ways of arguing against a rematch.
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lvbuckeye;667826; said:
The recap of the timing regarding the formation of the Bowl Alliance and the BCS isn't accurate. The Bowl Alliance was already in place during the 1996 season. Here's a link that tracks the Bowl Coalition, Bowl Alliance, and the BCS:
bcsfootball.org
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EidoloN;668119; said:
The BCS doesn't issue standings after the title Game. Whoever wins the game wins the the BCS Championship Trophy.
The Coaches are obligated to vote the winner of the title game #1 on their final ballots, so the winner of the game is the NC in the Coaches Poll. The Harris poll, the other human element of the BCS, does not vote after the title game.
The AP Poll is not part of the BCS, and those voters are free to vote however they choose. That's how USC got their share of the split title after the 2003 season, when LSU beat Oklahoma in the Championship Game.
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Obviously I'm late to this thread. I'm all for a rematch. Notre Dame versus Michigan in a BCS game ( not the NC) would be great. :!
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CookyPuss
Screw Blue
Leave it to The Onion to put things in perspective:
Ohio State Defeats Michigan 42-39 In Ultimately Meaningless Game
November 23, 2006 | Onion Sports
Ohio State Defeats Michigan 42-39 In Ultimately Meaningless Game
COLUMBUS, OH
In what had been touted as a college-football matchup for the ages, the top-ranked Ohio State Buckeyes defeated the No. 2 Michigan Wolverines 42-39 Sunday in a game that, while exciting, ultimately made no real impact on the football landscape and had no significant effect on the national rankings.
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"Well, of course I'm sad we lost, but since we're still the No. 2 team in the country, it's hard to feel all that bad about it," said Michigan quarterback Chad Henne, who finished with 21 completions on 35 attempts and two touchdowns. "And I've still never beaten Ohio State, so that's too bad. But hey, apparently losing doesn't hurt Michigan in the rankings, so I guess I get to try again in the national championship game. See you then!"
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel echoed many of Henne's statements in a press conference during which he had obvious problems staying interested.
"This was a tough game for us," Tressel said. "By which I mean it was tough to get excited about it. Playing Michigan should be special, but going into this game, we knew that no matter what happened on the field, the BCS polls would have us either first or second. There was really no point in playing this at all."
"I mean, come on?we could have lined up in alphabetical order in the end zone dressed in nothing but helmets and socks and whacked off for 60 minutes, and the BCS would still send us to the Tostitos Championship Game," Tressel told the assembled reporters. "Hell, you'd all still vote for [Buckeyes quarterback] Troy Smith to win the Heisman. And you know it."
For his part, Smith tried to look on the bright side of his team's empty victory.
"It's still better than a loss, even though that wouldn't have affected our future in any way," Smith said as he rushed to leave the locker room. "Nothing we've done this season would have affected our future, if you think about it. When you start out being voted number one because a bunch of people like your team, it doesn't give you much reason to play the games at all. Part of me is glad Bo Schembechler didn't live to see this."
Schembechler, the Ohio State graduate who became a football legend in his two decades as coach of the Wolverines, died the day before the game, shortly after addressing the Michigan squad.
"I'll never forget what he told us," Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said. "He stood there and told us that no matter how well or how poorly we played on Sunday, how many yards we gained, how many tackles we delivered, that it didn't matter. Because we were the Michigan Wolverines, and win or lose, the Wolverines were almost certainly going to play in the championship game."
"I got chills when he quietly looked at every player there, and everyone in the locker room could see how profoundly moved he was," said Wolverines tailback Mike Hart. "Then he told us, 'You know, men, it isn't your fault, but this whole thing is really a bunch of bullshit. I'm proud of you and all, but there's nothing at stake here, so have a fun little football game and don't get hurt. Now I think I need to go lie down, because the thought of my beloved Michigan going along with this pointless crap is making me sick.'"
"That was the last time any of us saw him alive," Hart added.
Barring a major upset, Michigan and Ohio State will face one another again in the Tostitos BCS National Championship Game held at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ to determine for the second and last time this season and the first time with actual ramifications which team is to be ranked first and which second.
Edit: For those of you that are unaware, The Onion is a satarical news source and these are not real quotes.
Ohio State Defeats Michigan 42-39 In Ultimately Meaningless Game
November 23, 2006 | Onion Sports
Ohio State Defeats Michigan 42-39 In Ultimately Meaningless Game
COLUMBUS, OH
In what had been touted as a college-football matchup for the ages, the top-ranked Ohio State Buckeyes defeated the No. 2 Michigan Wolverines 42-39 Sunday in a game that, while exciting, ultimately made no real impact on the football landscape and had no significant effect on the national rankings.
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"Well, of course I'm sad we lost, but since we're still the No. 2 team in the country, it's hard to feel all that bad about it," said Michigan quarterback Chad Henne, who finished with 21 completions on 35 attempts and two touchdowns. "And I've still never beaten Ohio State, so that's too bad. But hey, apparently losing doesn't hurt Michigan in the rankings, so I guess I get to try again in the national championship game. See you then!"
Ohio State coach Jim Tressel echoed many of Henne's statements in a press conference during which he had obvious problems staying interested.
"This was a tough game for us," Tressel said. "By which I mean it was tough to get excited about it. Playing Michigan should be special, but going into this game, we knew that no matter what happened on the field, the BCS polls would have us either first or second. There was really no point in playing this at all."
"I mean, come on?we could have lined up in alphabetical order in the end zone dressed in nothing but helmets and socks and whacked off for 60 minutes, and the BCS would still send us to the Tostitos Championship Game," Tressel told the assembled reporters. "Hell, you'd all still vote for [Buckeyes quarterback] Troy Smith to win the Heisman. And you know it."
For his part, Smith tried to look on the bright side of his team's empty victory.
"It's still better than a loss, even though that wouldn't have affected our future in any way," Smith said as he rushed to leave the locker room. "Nothing we've done this season would have affected our future, if you think about it. When you start out being voted number one because a bunch of people like your team, it doesn't give you much reason to play the games at all. Part of me is glad Bo Schembechler didn't live to see this."
Schembechler, the Ohio State graduate who became a football legend in his two decades as coach of the Wolverines, died the day before the game, shortly after addressing the Michigan squad.
"I'll never forget what he told us," Michigan coach Lloyd Carr said. "He stood there and told us that no matter how well or how poorly we played on Sunday, how many yards we gained, how many tackles we delivered, that it didn't matter. Because we were the Michigan Wolverines, and win or lose, the Wolverines were almost certainly going to play in the championship game."
"I got chills when he quietly looked at every player there, and everyone in the locker room could see how profoundly moved he was," said Wolverines tailback Mike Hart. "Then he told us, 'You know, men, it isn't your fault, but this whole thing is really a bunch of bullshit. I'm proud of you and all, but there's nothing at stake here, so have a fun little football game and don't get hurt. Now I think I need to go lie down, because the thought of my beloved Michigan going along with this pointless crap is making me sick.'"
"That was the last time any of us saw him alive," Hart added.
Barring a major upset, Michigan and Ohio State will face one another again in the Tostitos BCS National Championship Game held at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, AZ to determine for the second and last time this season and the first time with actual ramifications which team is to be ranked first and which second.
Edit: For those of you that are unaware, The Onion is a satarical news source and these are not real quotes.
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SanAntonioBuck
RIP Our Friend and Hero
scUM, might be able to win a bowl game with that match up.808 Buck;668961; said:
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Greed without bounds
College officials see Division I-A football as gold
By Bob Smizik
Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
Associated Press
Ohio State receiver Ted Ginn Jr. is hoisted by teammate Rory Nicol. They will have to wait 51 days before they get another chance to celebrate a touchdown.
Imagine this: After the Steelers and Seahawks won conference championship games Jan. 22 of this year, the NFL announced the Super Bowl would be played not in two weeks but March 13.
Crazy, right?
What about this? After the National League Championship Series ended Oct. 19, it was announced the St. Louis Cardinals would begin play in the World Series against the Detroit Tigers Dec. 9.
Idiotic, right?
Why would any sport on any level wait more than seven weeks after determining the participants to play its championship event?
That?s a good question for the NCAA, which abdicates the responsibility it accepts in every other sport by allowing the championship of Division I-A football to be run by people who don?t have the courage to buck an archaic and anti-educational system and whose primary interest is financial.
Would the NCAA allow its basketball tournament to have regional finals the last Saturday in March and begin the Final Four in mid-May?
Of course, it wouldn?t. But it is allowing Ohio State and Michigan, one of which will play for the national football championship, to play its final game Saturday and then take off 51 days before playing for the title Jan. 8.
There is no logical explanation for this other than it always has been done that way before.
Apparently bent on getting every possible dollar out of football ? the better to finance other sports ? and every possible mention in the news ? the better to attract more student applicants ? the presidents of the Division I-A football universities have no intention of changing this irrational system.
The underlings of these presidents ? coaches, athletic directors, conference commissioners ? never miss an opportunity to gush about what fine fellows these men are and how much their support means to college athletics. In reality, they?re every bit as unscrupulous as the dozen or so coaches who face NCAA sanctions every year for cheating.
This year, there will be 32 bowl games, beginning Dec. 19 with the San Diego County Credit Union Poinsettia, and ending Jan. 8 with the title game. The minor bowls used to get out of the road before Jan. 1, but that?s no longer the case. The International Bowl will be played Jan. 6 in Toronto and the GMAC Bowl Jan. 7 in Mobile, Ala.
There will be 64 teams participating in these games, which is more than half of the 119 colleges that are members of Division I-A. Whereas it once took an 8-3, maybe a 7-4, record to earn a bowl invitation, now six losses can get you in.
These bowl games exist for one primary reason: To provide programming for ESPN.
Twenty-one of the 32 games will be carried by ESPN, which has an audience that never tires of college games, regardless of how meaningless. It is not too far-fetched to suggest that if ESPN can find the sites and the advertisers, in the not-too-distant future teams with losing records will be extending their seasons with a bowl game.
The upshot of this ridiculously overextended bowl mania is an extension of the season that takes away even more classroom time than the normal activities of a Division I-A athlete.
There are more practices, more mental preparation, more toll on the body and less time for studies, less time to be a college student.
If the NCAA had the guts to take control of the football season, it could do away with much of this abuse. A 16-team playoff, beginning the first week in December, would have every team, or all but two, finished by the end of the month. Such a plan would end the season for 103 of the I-A teams in November, allowing those players to get back to their studies and have a chance to be a student.
I hate people that argue that there are too many bowls. I also hate when people argue that it's done out of greed. Sure, the bowl organizers and television networks are out to get theirs, but the institutions that participate in bowl games use the money they get from it to fund the rest of the athletic department. It is a HUGE deal, especially for "non-revenue" sports teams (all but football, men's basketball, and a handful of women's basketball programs).
I really wish that people like this guy, who presumably makes his living by writing in some significant measure about revenue-producing college sports, would put his money where his mouth is by either writing about some of those other sports and student-athletes, or spending some of that money he makes by writing about the exploits of these young people on admission to see a college softball or men's tennis competition, or by donating some money to a local institution's athletic department for scholarships. Maybe then he'd have a better idea of exactly how big an impact those bowl dollars have on non-football student-athletes.
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FKAGobucks877
The Most Power-Drunk
I don't mind articles like this one. While I don't exactly agree with his points, I like the fact that each of his points is a perfect argument to the points that a typical "anti-playoff" advocate may utter. Things such as "it would take too much time away from the players education" or "a playoff system can't be done in that limited amount of time". The fact is, it all comes down to money. Period.
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