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The Twinkie Diet! Lose weight, feel great!

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by Jake, Nov 16, 2010.

  1. Jake

    Jake They took the bar! ‘17 The Deuce Champ '18 The Deuce Champ Fantasy Baseball Champ

    So there you have it. :lol:

    Fruits and vegetables? We don't need no stinkin' fruits and vegetables!
     
  2. Buckeye513

    Buckeye513 Stable Genius

    Counting the days until I see an article about someone losing weight on the "Auschwitz" diet.
     
  3. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Staff Member Bookie

    Based on things I've read, a lot of processed foods don't seem to be bad for you in and of themselves - their main danger is that they are made in a way to make you crave them more or not be able to stop eating past a moderate amount.

    To me it seems like 2000 calories is 2000 calories no matter how you get them. The problem with some foods is that you just don't stop at 2000. If you keep track of your calories and control your impulses it shouldn't matter what you eat - at least where weight control is concerned.
     
  4. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    Can't imagine anyone would feel "great" while on this diet... :lol:


    2,000 calories might be 2,000 calories, but most of that processed stuff doesn't bring any nutritional value in the way of vitamin, minerals, protein, etc.... he supplemented his crap diet with vitamins ...and ate some veggies...
     
  5. muffler dragon

    muffler dragon Bien. Bien chiludo.

    1) This idiot makes scientists look like jackasses.
    2) Let's talk about sustainability.
    3) I like what Mark Sisson's short and concise thoughts on the matter:

    http://www.marksdailyapple.com/meditation-for-life-extension-and-the-twinkie-guy/

     
  6. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I disagree, and I think Sisson missed the point entirely.

    Haub wasn't trying to develop a new Twinkie-based weight-loss program. The premise being tested was, "Is net caloric intake the primary factor in weight control?" The answer clearly is yes. And a subsidiary question was, "Is weight in itself a primary determinant of health parameters such as serum cholesterol, triglycerides, and other blood chemistry?" Again, the indication is yes (with limited data).

    Professor Haub doesn't recommend that people start to consume Twinkies as a replacement for healthier foods. But his work points out something very important - most diets that argue they are "healthy" may not be, precisely because they aren't sustainable by the average person. Very-low-fat diets are a prime example. In my own case, I've lost about 40 lb by reducing glycemic index in my diet and by exercising regularly, but I intentionally did NOT reduce total fat intake; dietary fat is extremely important in generating satiety (the feeling that you've "eaten enough").

    Bottom line to me is that Haub's research poses some interesting new questions in nutrition. Being such a fat nation, we need to know all we can about the psychology and physiology of weight control.
     
  7. PlanetFrnd

    PlanetFrnd Newbie

    I can't believe it takes such a stupid stunt to show that if you burn more calories than you take in, you will lose weight. Holy. Shit.
     
  8. muffler dragon

    muffler dragon Bien. Bien chiludo.

    It appears that I was not clear above, and I'll attempt to do so now so that you can see we're not drastically far off from each other.

    1) This idiot makes scientists look like jackasses.

    When I said this, the basis of my statement is what sort of scientist would attempt to do a study on one person. It's meaningless. It has no more impact than if the exact opposite of what readings he received after the fact.

    2) Let's talk about sustainability

    His "test" lasted all of two months. This is yet another parameter that limits the credibility of the experiment. Considering that a two month stint would still place the body in a state of limbo, there is a good chance that he was just seeing initial changes and not something of longevity.

    3) Regarding Mark's sentiment:

    I agree, it's not particularly on the point directly; however, I think that he does present a thought process behind the reason why such a poor experiment was performed.

    Lastly, I believe you and I are closer in our thought process due to our own changes in diet and exercise. Personally, I have slowly transitioned to a low carb diet while increasing my proteins and vegetables. Meanwhile, I am now at the end of the Second Phase of P90x. While weight isn't the best metric on this, I have lost 9 pounds in a little over 7 weeks. My strength has increased so I know I'm not losing lean mass. My waist line is shrinking nicely. You and I have adopted changes in our system that are outside of "conventional wisdom". Granted, Haub is attempting to do that as well; but he doesn't have nearly the pool of information to determine the validity.

    Anyway, if nothing else, his work is a gateway to discussion.
     
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  9. Taosman

    Taosman In The Pizza Portal

  10. muffler dragon

    muffler dragon Bien. Bien chiludo.

    Swedish Fish! Yum!
     
  11. powerlifter

    powerlifter ▪█───────█

    Yes,you lose weight,when you drop below maintenance calories of current weight. Most people don't just won't to lose weight though. They want to look better. Macronutrients matter if you are getting in shape. Diets of useless calories below maintenance will drop weight,but you will just appear to be a smaller version of yourself at a similar BF% of where you already are.

    Regardless if someone did have positive results with irrational dieting. Dieting is something you need to be able to do consistently.
     
  12. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Staff Member Bookie

    I don't think the point of this "experiment" was to reach a conclusion. The "findings" raise more questions than they answer - questions that before may not have been entertained at all because they sounded absurd on their surface or ran counter to conventional wisdom.

    All of the criticisms you raised - they are simply questions for further, more rigorous research.
     
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  13. DubCoffman62

    DubCoffman62 Lazy Slob

    I know someone that lost about 30 pounds by eating one microwaved burrito from 7-11 and a Lipton tea per day. Yes, he lost weight but he looked like an old, stretched out deflated balloon.
     
  14. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Staff Member Bookie

    Anybody can lose a bunch of weight if they go on a diet that makes the shit their brains out every day, damn.
     
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  15. ScriptOhio

    ScriptOhio Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.

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