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Its a cliche but it is true to a degree. You can make stats say whatever you want them to say. But I view this in line with the Black Coaches Association and its reviews of schools during the hiring process.

A school may get an F because it doesn't meet their criteria but they can shape their critera any way they want.

So we had a few years where players transferred out, transferred in, went to the pros (NBA,Europe,etc), or just dropped out. What is he trying to prove by brining up stats from 10 years ago?

And is it any surprise that it came out now?
 
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tibor75;780610; said:
actually I'm sure those seniors were on track to graduate before Matta ever showed up, so the credit goes to 0'brien
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Considering, Jekel Foster never suited up for Obie, it appears you're making stuff up. On court, most of the future graduates split time between the coaches (Stockman 1 - 1, Sylvester 2-2, Dials 2-2). Sullinger played an extra year for Matta. Fuss Cheatham was the only senior graduate with more years on the court w/ Obie.
 
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buckeyes_rock;780416; said:
I mean the best schools are going to get the best (ie most NBA ready) players. So obviously some will leave early and mess up the grad rate statistic
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Yes, but there were elite programs during that time period (better than OSU's in terms of roundball performance) who had better graduation rates.
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Anyone who thinks we're not taking care of guys like Oden is crazy.
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Poor graduation rates are caused much more by bringing kids who have little interest in education into the program, than it is caused by failing to "take care of them" once they're at school.
melrun78;780605; said:
Its a cliche but it is true to a degree. You can make stats say whatever you want them to say...So we had a few years where players transferred out, transferred in, went to the pros (NBA,Europe,etc), or just dropped out.
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It is true that statistics can be presented misleadingly, but the 38% statistic, which takes into account transfers and "late" graduations, fairly accurately represents something that isn't all that positive. It doesn't account for early NBA departures, but that really didn't have a major impact on OSU's '96-'99 freshmen classes.
 
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tibor75 said:
actually I'm sure those seniors were on track to graduate before Matta ever showed up, so the credit goes to 0'brien
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wouldn't the credit go to the student athlete?

I must have missed when somebody decided that Universities and coaches were in charge of graduating their kids.....but that's the way it has been since it was in style to bash the top programs of any sport.

I wonder who gets the credit for regular students graduating.
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the facts are the facts. and within the facts the one thing no one has mentioned is student body grad rates. should athletes graduate at a rate much higher than that of thier student body? i remember my first day at theosu, "look to your right, look to your left, only one of you three will be here to recieve a diploma." things like that need to be taken into consideration.
 
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Graduation rates do present a difficult statistical problem. Yes, the results of the 96-99 class are largely irrelevant. But the graduation numbers are always going to be irrelevant under that test.

Thus, the only programs that would ever be subject to scrutiny under the 6-year method are programs that maintain a coaching staff for an extended period of time. Even then, fans will always insist that changes have been made that are not yet accounted for.

Thankfully, the APR provides a more contemporaneous solution. Unfortunately, the APR is much more complicated, still has shortcomings (not accounting for going pro), and (perhaps because it is complicated) subject to a number of myths.

Ohio State's APR from the 03/04 and 04/05 years (released in February 2006) is 911, below the 925 cut-off but not subject to penalties because of squad size issues. The new numbers will come out later this Spring.
 
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BuckeyeNation27;780633; said:
wouldn't the credit go to the student athlete?

I must have missed when somebody decided that Universities and coaches were in charge of graduating their kids.....but that's the way it has been since it was in style to bash the top programs of any sport.

I wonder who gets the credit for regular students graduating.
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jimotis4heisman;780642; said:
the facts are the facts. and within the facts the one thing no one has mentioned is student body grad rates. should athletes graduate at a rate much higher than that of thier student body? i remember my first day at theosu, "look to your right, look to your left, only one of you three will be here to recieve a diploma." things like that need to be taken into consideration.
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Good points that don't get made enough. However, there is an important difference. One argument against paying players is that they already receive compensation in the form of an education. That argument holds a lot less weight if you simultaneously claim that it isn't the schools problem whether players graduate

Another reason to hold schools responsible is to deter schools from allowing athletic responsibilities to make it impossible for athlete-students to get an education. If the NCAA doesn't want to admit to being a minor league, it has to take responsibility for graduation rates.
 
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