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2022 tOSU Recruiting Discussion

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HotMic said:
Seems like an easy way to excuse a coach by labeling every single recruit he signs as a project, but to each their own.
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I explicitly stated that nearly everybody at the position is a project, not just the recruits he signs, and you somehow think I’m making an excuse for Stud? That’s mental gymnastics.

And to you, what’s the cut off that deems someone a project? Anything outside of the top 300? Is anyone inside the top 300 automatically disqualified from being called a project?
 
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Again, if you can’t see the difference between a player ranked around 300 compared to 700-1000 I just don’t know what to tell you. You’re purposely being obtuse.

“Sure Stud missed on projects like Leroux, James and Toutant, but he nailed projects like Michalski, Fitzpatrick and Tshabola!”
 
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HotMic said:
Again, if you can’t see the difference between a player ranked around 300 compared to 700-1000 I just don’t know what to tell you. You’re purposely being obtuse.

“Sure Stud missed on projects like Leroux, James and Toutant, but he nailed projects like Michalski, Fitzpatrick and Tshabola!”
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I’m being purposely obtuse because I don’t agree with you? You sound like a baby.

Again, the ranking of the prospect is way low on the things I care about when talking about the OL. Give me a guy with Dawand’s size, athleticism, and work ethic over a guy like Max Wray any day of the week.

I also don’t get your position. I asked you what do you consider the cut off to be to consider a guy a project or not. You’ve called Aamil Wagner a project because he wouldn’t see the field for a few years and said we need someone who could see the field immediately. But Wagner is higher ranked than Munford was. So what is it, in your mind, that makes someone a project or not?
 
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Here’s my concern, and then I’ll be done. My concern is that a few years from now the OL room is facing the same issues the DB room did last year and into this one. Sure you have skilled guys that can develop down the road, but you’re lacking the top-end talent that can step in and play immediately while those guys refine their game. Stud’s classes are getting lower and lower on the top-end guys and heavier on low-end projects and guys that will need a few years. Here’s Stud’s last few lineups and their rankings:

2021: NPF (7), Munford (285), Wypler (108), Johnson (9), Jones (1043)

2020: Munford (285), Miller (30), Myers (53), Davis (24), NPF (7)

2019: Munford (285), Jackson (All BIG Xfer), Myers (53), Davis (24), Bowen (543)

2018: Munford (285), Pridgeon (#1 JUCO OT), Jordan (130), Knox (98), Prince (101)

2017: Jones (59) , Jordan (130), Price (211), Bowen (543), Prince (101)

I’m not really sure where this idea that Stud develops all these low-ranked guys comes from, but aside from Dawand and Bowen that couldn’t be further from the truth. His lines have always relied on players ranked within the top 300. Always.
 
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Continuing to chase the project/development bogey man is missing the point imo.

Quit calling them "projects" and call them "fall back guys" instead, then repeat the question.

Why does Stud end up with so many fall back guys? Because he keeps missing on his first choices. That's the issue.

No position coach at OSU should consistently be relying on fallback guys.
 
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OH10 said:
Stud is lazy on the recruiting trail. We all know that. It hasn’t shown up yet on the field. Maybe it will soon. When/If it does, one would hope he’d be looking for a new job or looking to retire. Not sure this program can afford to wait for that drop but that’s where we are at.
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I'm wondering if part of it is/was due to his back issues. Don't want him replaced, but it will bite him sooner than later.

HotMic said:
Here’s my concern, and then I’ll be done. My concern is that a few years from now the OL room is facing the same issues the DB room did last year and into this one.

I’m not really sure where this idea that Stud develops all these low-ranked guys comes from, but aside from Dawand and Bowen that couldn’t be further from the truth. His lines have always relied on players ranked within the top 300. Always.
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Yep. In '19 OSU had one of their best secondaries since the 90s, but there was little depth and we saw how that went after 3 starters left. It's not an emergency, but Day and Stud need to get this turned around quickly so that they can minimize future issues with depth and ability. With how the program is structured, OL is only behind QB in terms of being the most important position on the team. Day's offense won't work well without a strong running game and PA shots.
 
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Have there been any reports on how young “fallbacks” other then Dewand are progressing?

Look like Prior has a bright future.

But I don’t think Toutant (sp), James, Leroux, have smelled the field for even PAT snaps.

The Portal has been good to us but overused ( we haven’t reached that point) reeks of covering up poor recruiting.
 
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bucknut502 said:
IIRC Munford was not a top 300 player when he was offered and before he lost a ton of weight.
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but isn't that part of the recruiting game? Identifying body types that can be altered with hard work? Doesn't OSU get some of the credit for that? I'm sure they were monumental in giving him the proper nutritional plan to get his body right. I don't really put Munford in that same "project" category as some of the others.
 
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HotMic said:
Here’s my concern, and then I’ll be done. My concern is that a few years from now the OL room is facing the same issues the DB room did last year and into this one. Sure you have skilled guys that can develop down the road, but you’re lacking the top-end talent that can step in and play immediately while those guys refine their game. Stud’s classes are getting lower and lower on the top-end guys and heavier on low-end projects and guys that will need a few years. Here’s Stud’s last few lineups and their rankings:

2021: NPF (7), Munford (285), Wypler (108), Johnson (9), Jones (1043)

2020: Munford (285), Miller (30), Myers (53), Davis (24), NPF (7)

2019: Munford (285), Jackson (All BIG Xfer), Myers (53), Davis (24), Bowen (543)

2018: Munford (285), Pridgeon (#1 JUCO OT), Jordan (130), Knox (98), Prince (101)

2017: Jones (59) , Jordan (130), Price (211), Bowen (543), Prince (101)

I’m not really sure where this idea that Stud develops all these low-ranked guys comes from, but aside from Dawand and Bowen that couldn’t be further from the truth. His lines have always relied on players ranked within the top 300. Always.
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I never said that. What I said, and continue to say is, I don’t care where they are ranked. I care that he identifies guys he likes and develops them when they get into the program. He’s done that. And just because guys are highly rated, he still has to coach them. The plug and play the OL did in 2020 was a hell of a coaching job. Shuffling positions and playing backups for extended time without a drop off isn’t nothing.

You still haven’t answered the question of what is the threshold of considering guys a project? You have been inconsistent in the past.
 
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HotMic said:
Here’s my concern, and then I’ll be done. My concern is that a few years from now the OL room is facing the same issues the DB room did last year and into this one. Sure you have skilled guys that can develop down the road, but you’re lacking the top-end talent that can step in and play immediately while those guys refine their game. Stud’s classes are getting lower and lower on the top-end guys and heavier on low-end projects and guys that will need a few years. Here’s Stud’s last few lineups and their rankings:

2021: NPF (7), Munford (285), Wypler (108), Johnson (9), Jones (1043)

2020: Munford (285), Miller (30), Myers (53), Davis (24), NPF (7)

2019: Munford (285), Jackson (All BIG Xfer), Myers (53), Davis (24), Bowen (543)

2018: Munford (285), Pridgeon (#1 JUCO OT), Jordan (130), Knox (98), Prince (101)

2017: Jones (59) , Jordan (130), Price (211), Bowen (543), Prince (101)

I’m not really sure where this idea that Stud develops all these low-ranked guys comes from, but aside from Dawand and Bowen that couldn’t be further from the truth. His lines have always relied on players ranked within the top 300. Always.
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Well, if your 5 star talent (Wade and Tyreke Johnson) play like 2 and 3 stars, two guys (Riep and Wint) commit a felony, and one guy (Cam Brown) goes down with a season ending injury week two...yeah, there would be some problems.
 
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cdiddy70 said:
Have there been any reports on how young “fallbacks” other then Dewand are progressing?

Look like Prior has a bright future.

But I don’t think Toutant (sp), James, Leroux, have smelled the field for even PAT snaps.

The Portal has been good to us but overused ( we haven’t reached that point) reeks of covering up poor recruiting.
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Leroux did get 2 FG/XP snaps against Maryland, according to 11W.
 
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