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Vote Smith! (ESPN poll)

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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
One played against one of the worst defenses in college football while the other played against one of the best college defenses I have ever watched.
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Uh, no. Smith played against one of the slowest secondaries in the country, not a "terrible" defense. The ND defense held Michigan to fewer points than we did and also held USC relatively in check (you guys should've won that game). Conversely, while our defense was pretty good, it wasn't close to being our best lately...we gave up 450+ yards twice, including 599 to Minnesota (although the last 80 yards were against our bench). Our 2002 team was far, far more dominant on defense.

Still, Troy Smith had more yards than the entire ND offense, and Quinn didn't directly account for a single TD.
 
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Geez, you guys can't have it both ways. Either ND's defense is bad, or it's good. I think Quinn is a slightly better college QB than Smith. Each fits their system well, and I'm sure neither team would trade their QB for the other.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
You really can't be that stupid now can you?

BTW- Happy Birthday
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First of all, thank you.

And nope, I'm not that stupid.

Frankly, it's a bowl game, and if I do remember correctly Notre Dame was supposed to "win" the Fiesta Bowl, according to many people (eg. ESPN poll had the Irish at 52 percent), and Quinn was going to exploit the Ohio State defense, or at least be effective.

Then, on the other hand, the Buckeyes' defense was supposed to stay strong and "hope" that Quinn didn't "exploit" them.

If I do recall, Smith torched, no, more like annihilated the Irish secondary, and simply outplayed God's second son, Brady Quinn.

You can't tell me that Brady Quinn is better, and should deserve more Heisman hype, when Troy simply outplayed him in a game that was supposed to be an even matchup.

Quinn didn't throw for a touchdown... that is a fact.

Troy Smith threw for two, and exploited the Irish, lighting them up for 600+ yards; an Irish record for most yards allowed.

The only Quinn that made highlights that evening was Laura Quinn. Brady just didn't measure up to Troy that night.

So, please tell me, Chief, why Troy shouldn't be ahead of Quinn in the pre-season Heisman rankings (with those facts before you), and how that makes me stupid?
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Even matchup? LOL!!

Terrible pass defense, terrible tackling after the catch and zero pass rush might have had a little to do with some of it.
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So, Smith should be punished--and Quinn should get credit--for that? Look at the field generalship both QBs displayed...Smith was more than Quinn's equal. Quinn is little more than the fortunate recipient of the Charlie Weis media hype machine.

Besides, you thought it was a pretty even matchup going into the bowl game, IIRC.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
No I did not think the talent was equal. Not even close.

Besides, Brady threw for around 1,400 more yards last season and had twice as many TD's.
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so, in the same thread, you are downplaing smith's fiesta bowl performance because of ND's weak defense, yet praising quinn's stats amassed against such defensive juggernauts as syracuse, byu, stanford (who lost to a 1-AA school), and purdue?

Good work.
 
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Brady Quinn amassed 2,437 passing yards against six teams ranked 90th or worse in D1A (out of 117 teams) for pass defense [Michigan State (94), Washington (113), Purdue (91), Brigham Young (105), Navy (90), and Stanford (99)].

So, Quinn "earned" :roll1: nearly 70% of his season totals against a schedule where half the teams also happened to be in the bottom fourth defensively against the pass.

Troy Smith only played two teams ranked 90th or worse [Michigan State (94) and Illinois (116)].

Quinn and Smith also happened to face two common opponents: Michigan and Michigan State.

Against Michigan:
QUINN 19-of-30 (63%), 140 yards, 2 TDs
SMITH 27-of-37 (73%), 300 yards, 1 TDs

Against Michigan State:
QUINN 33-of-60 (55%), 487 yards, 5 TDs, 1 INT
SMITH 10-of-15 (66%), 249 yards, 3 TDs

Against two common defenses, Smith performed better than Quinn both times, even if the total yards and TDs aren't comparable. The disparity in yards and TDs is understandable since Quinn passed 40% more often than Troy did in these two games, and nearly 90% more overall through the course of the season.

Oh, by the way, when actually on the same field (the Fiesta Bowl) Smith again performed better than Quinn.

If we used Troy Smith's 2005 stats and projected them out to 450 attempts, the same as Quinn, Troy throws for 4,336 yards and 30 TDs. Those would be better numbers against better competition than Charlie's Angel.
 
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BuckeyeSkins said:
A regular rocket scientist I see.

Chief, this is an argument you have absolutely no chance of winning on this board. Give it up. Facts is facts. You know it as well as anyone else here and you just won't admit it.
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I never said TS was not a very good QB because he is. All I was saying is that Quinn had a great year and his stat's are better. Sure in some big games TS had better stat's but he OSU also had breakaway WR's to help those stat's.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
No I did not think the talent was equal. Not even close.

Besides, Brady threw for around 1,400 more yards last season and had twice as many TD's.
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Dryden broke it down into facts in his post above, but I'll summize it in one sentence: "Quinn got his stats against shit defenses". Like it or not, CHIEF, Quinn is nothing more than the by-product of the Charlie Weis "chuck it 'till you puke" pro offense.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
I never said TS was not a very good QB because he is. All I was saying is that Quinn had a great year and his stat's are better. Sure in some big games TS had better stat's but he OSU also had breakaway WR's to help those stat's.
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So you don't think highly of Notre Ame's WRs?
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
I never said TS was not a very good QB because he is. All I was saying is that Quinn had a great year and his stat's are better. Sure in some big games TS had better stat's but he OSU also had breakaway WR's to help those stat's.
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I believe that you also agreed that the easier schedule Notre Dame played last year, in other threads last year, and you must now admit that as Dryden suggests, playing easier defenses helped to inflate Quinn's statistics.

So, fine, both are good quarterbacks. If Quinn had stayed in Columbus, I think we all would have really been quite pleased to have him in the squad but I think on the balance of things, I am much happier with Troy Smith at quarterback than I would be with Quinn.
 
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