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What Do Teachers Make

Discussion in 'Open Discussion (Work-safe)' started by buckiprof, Dec 13, 2005.

  1. buckiprof

    buckiprof 21st Century Buckeye Man Staff Member

    The following is old, but I thought some of our educators on the board might enjoy it. I first received this about 10 years ago. It was forwarded to me by a former student who ended up doing the same thing I do. I just received it again today in an email from a more recent student who is in her first year as a math professor, the same thing I do. When I read it today, I first thought how weird to have this forwarded to me again. Then I thought of the educators we have here on this board. So in the event that the Grad21s, Thumps, Stxbucks, etc on the board have never seen this, enjoy!



    The dinner guests were sitting around the table discussing life. One man, a CEO, decided to explain the problem with education. He argued, "What's a kid going to learn from someone who decided his best option in life was to become a teacher?"

    He reminded the other dinner guests what they say about
    teachers: "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

    To stress his point he said to another guest; "You're a
    teacher. Be honest. What do you make?"

    Having a reputation for honesty and frankness he replied,
    "You want to know what I make

    I make kids work harder than they ever thought they could.


    I make a C+ feel like the winner of the Congressional

    Medal of Honor.

    I make kids sit through 40 minutes of study hall in absolute silence.

    You want to know what I make?
    I make kids wonder.

    I make them question.
    I make them criticize.

    I make them apologize and mean it.
    I make them write.
    I make them read,
    read, read.
    I make them show all their work in math and perfect
    their final drafts in English.

    I make them
    understand that if you have the brains,
    and follow your heart,
    and if someone ever tries to

    judge you by what you make, you must pay no
    attention, because
    they just didn't learn."


    I paused and continued.
    "You want to know what I make?
    'I MAKE A DIFFERENCE.'
    What do you make?"

     
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  2. Deety

    Deety Ain't nothin' gonna breaka my stride Staff Member

    Very true. :)
     
  3. Wingate1217

    Wingate1217 Bring on the next opponent!!

    If only all teachers were like that.....Alas, they are becoming a dying breed!
     
  4. DEBuckeye

    DEBuckeye It ain't easy, bein' cheesy.

    That's good. My parents were both college profs, and the "those who can't, teach" thing has always pissed me off. If it weren't for those who teach, no one would learn how to "do".

    K-12 teachers make way too little, by the way.
     
  5. NJ-Buckeye

    NJ-Buckeye They Hate Us cuz They Ain't Us.. Banners are good Staff Member

    K-12 starting salary is $46K here... and as much as $56K in northern Jersey...
    and the NJ teacher benefits are second to NONE.. anywhere... any industry...

    No co-pay on any doctor, dental or vision...
    $10 co-pay on drugs...

    As self-employed.. I can't buy those benefits... my medical alone (with significant deductibles) is $1600/month... that's the equiv of $40K gross... and again, doesn't include dental or vision... plus my drug co-pay is outrageous...
     
  6. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    Not bad, but still nowhere near enough to get me to enter that profession.
     
  7. buckeyegrad

    buckeyegrad Don't Immanentize the Eschaton Staff Member

    "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

    As an educator, I've always liked this quote by Shaw. While not entirely true, from my observations, it is more true than many would like to admit.
     
  8. DEBuckeye

    DEBuckeye It ain't easy, bein' cheesy.

    Retiring at $72K? You're right, that's not a bad salary, but when you consider that it took that long in his/her career to reach that level it's not so hot compared with other occupations.

    I'm sure that there are districts with solid salaries- which is great -but I've heard an awful lot from people who start as teachers with very low salaries; so low in some cases that they take second jobs during the summer months. I guess my feeling is that, given the importance of the job, there should be more incentive and reward.
     
  9. NJ-Buckeye

    NJ-Buckeye They Hate Us cuz They Ain't Us.. Banners are good Staff Member

    I know a woodshop teacher at my childrens HS.. with a number years service over $80K... and BTW, the medical benefits are for life... and their basic retirement is roughly 60% of their last years income...

    So when this teacher retires, he gets $48K annual pension plus the best medical plan in existence.. that's not all bad...
     
  10. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    There literally is not enough money in the world to get me to go into teaching. I could do the university level, but nothing from K through 12.

    This was reinforced after attending my first school performance for one of my own kids last night.
     
  11. Buckin' A

    Buckin' A Veritas Aequitas

    I would teach seniors. Hell, they aren't even there most of the time.

    And judging by how much Thump is on here, teaching can't be that hard!:biggrin:
     
  12. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    While you couldn't pay me enough to be a teacher... and I think they should get paid better... (My parent's were/are both teacher, though my dad only for about 10 years)... I really don't like the, "I could make more in another job argument" Some would, some wouldn't... believe me... oh, and speaking very generally, you can't buy that kind of job security, especially later in your career.

    Meanwhile, my stepfather- who is a teacher retired, and then went back and is getting paid (I think at the 10 year level). So he's getting paid twice these days... (Thump can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Teachers in Ohio can make closer to 80% of their former salary depending on service time) and it PERS so you can up the top salary level by having another PERS job in the summer... And my Stepfather was a park ranger in the summer... so... he's doing quite well.
     
  13. afgolfer

    afgolfer Sarge

    I am a military instructor, making the same as someone who in the same rank as me could be doing a menial job, with little stress and little responsibility. To me its not about the money. Students who attend our course are awarded 11 college credit hours in only 8 weeks. Although I have to deal with students (kids) who have recently graduated high school, individuals that have limited respect for authority and even less discipline at times, I find it rewarding that i can make a difference in shaping the lives of future AF generations, by teaching the skills these future leaders will need throughout their AF careers
     
  14. Buckin' A

    Buckin' A Veritas Aequitas


    Good for you.
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  15. AKAK

    AKAK Mayor of Turkey Balls Falls Staff Member Bookie

    I knew it was something like that...
     

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