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martinss01 said:
my first take on this is to agree with the person who mentioned that these things would be virtually impossible to disprove. but I like playing the what if game so.... the world would not immediately turn to anarchy. though very large sections of the globe certainly would. looking at you middle east and Africa. while I think all first world countries (us included) would without question see a decent amount of lawlessness as a result. I personally don't believe the average American relies on religions existence as the supreme foundation of their day to day lives.

while it is certainly true that many of our laws and customs, either directly or indirectly, trace back to religious sources. shooting people in the face doesn't stop being "bad" if religion is a hoax.

will a lot of people have serious questions about things they considered "taboo" prior? absolutely. but outside of prostitutes getting far more popular (or at least more mainstream) not much would change in the long term in a negative sense.

to sum up, short term would be pretty messy with a decent amount of lawlessness everywhere. but the super messy stuff would largely be restricted to the countries that are already super messy. long term life would settle back to being pretty close to where it is today. only with fewer "my imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend" arguments outside of persons 4 years old and younger.



so..... agnostics don't have a conscience or morals..? from a legal point of view wouldn't that technically mean they wouldn't understand right or wrong the way the average person would be expected to? in such a case I would suspect they would fall outside the realm of being held legally responsible for their actions....

hey dragon, wanna make a couple bucks? =D
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You had me at "prostitutes getting far more popular." say no more. Where do I sign up?
 
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Is karma real or is that out the window as well? Tsun still sucks in any of these scenarios correct?

But really as long as there are laws and enforcement of those laws we'll still have order. More people would let their asshole out of the cage if they aren't worried about going to heaven. If there was no God we'd only be able to war over things like skin color and wanting shit that someone else has.
 
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It is hard to quantify an unknown such as what would change when the ripple would be so far reaching and affect so many. As long as laws still existed to protect people and there was enforcement of said laws, plenty would stay the same. I'm sure there would be a whole lot of change though, as well. Some people would become a lot more reckless if there were no afterparty to earn an invitation to. Some people would be more cautious and cherish the life they have if that's it and nothing existed after it. What would change would be the protests over certain things such as abortion and other arguments where one side seems to be dominantly centered and based upon religious beliefs. I'm sure it would change the war landscape as currently exists because a lot of, but not all of, those seem to be based at the root of religion. Certainly wars are based off of actions but those actions are currently looked at through a telescope of a belief system as to whether those actions are right and just.

I, myself, fall under the agnostic category as it appears more and more people fall under as mankind moves forward. I never understood religion as others did. I always wondered how so many religions and variations of religions could exist with each one believing that they had it right without an ounce of proof to back them up. Or maybe all religions have proof? Then wouldn't the proof of one religion contradict the proof of some others? And yet, both still had proof that would be considered factual? I'm equally curious how so many people could follow along. Is it because it just makes life easier? Good men and women practice religion but do you have to be religious to be good? If there is a God, does anyone think he would punish someone for just not knowing the answers to life's greatest mystery? I believe in doing what is right and I have definitely "sinned" in my lifetime. Is the view of what's right based off of a general concept of religion? Or laws? I don't know and I'm sure some comes from both sides but it all comes down to a basic sense of feeling and "your gut," I suppose. I don't mean to offend anyone with my beliefs, but aren't all religions just cults with so many people and so organized that they are more accepted and not viewed the same way as traditional societal cults? In the end, I don't have a religion or religious beliefs. I don't worry about things that can't be proven and I live my life based off of what I deem to be "right" and I make judgement calls on things where I believe it is a matter of choice and preference and those judgement calls are also based off of what I think is "right."

I'll pass on the prostitues, either way. Heaven or Hell or none of them, I don't want to get taken out by a dirty hooker!

Edit: If God didn't exist, Notre Dame would be exposed, too. Expose those liars and shut them down!
 
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Here's a question for you all...

The great Homer Simpson once asked Ned Flanders...

Could Jesus microwave a burrito, so hot, that he, himself, couldn't eat it? Ned was stumped.

My first response is, "Of course he can! He can do anything, right?" Well then, he can eat that fucking burrito! But then, that would mean he COULDN'T microwave a burrito hot enough that he couldn't eat it. It's very confusing and if Ned Flanders doesn't know the answer, how can we? Life is a lot easier when you leave out the unknowns.
 
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muffler dragon said:
@martinss01 I'm lost amigo. Maybe you weren't referencing me with the "dragon... couple bucks" thing, but I am just not following if you were meaning me.
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I believe he was riffing on your agnosticism and his take/joke that being agnostic means being exempt from prosecution due to being unable to distinguish right from wrong to gauge your interest in doing a "dirty deed done dirt cheap" for him. Not sure he's considered the potential rubber room outcome for an agnostic dirty deed doer, but you probably should.
 
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