What's Wrong & How to Fix It (Merged)

[FKAGobucks877]

Ok first off in the games where the defense lost the games, that is what lost the game not the offense, and we can't put the blame on the O'.

I would like to see the games that we lost where we didnt make a decent comeback.

In Tresselball it is usually the defenses job to hold the lead and not for the offense to gain it back.

As for the being behind, that is a very crazy statement. I mean even FSU was down or tied with the Citadel this year.

Also some peopel are giving a lot of criticizm after we lost two games to two very good teams.




Well I know we didnt execute to score the td, but can we give some credit to Texas's D. If their O' started inside the 35 we would expect our D to hold their O' to 4 tds. It isnt like we came away with no points and didnt try to score.

Let's clear up a little confusion here - I'm not talking about being down 7-0 in the first quarter. I'm talking about being down (by any score) with less than 6:00 left in the game.

Secondly, yeah, people are being critical for losing two games to two tough opponents...but those opponents were not as good as us. They weren't as talented as us. They just outplayed us...and they didn't play with handcuffs on.

Thirdly, if Texas did score a TD or two on our D, I would be upset, but blame the offense/special teams/whoever for giving them the ball four times inside the 35.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

Let's clear up a little confusion here - I'm not talking about being down 7-0 in the first quarter. I'm talking about being down (by any score) with less than 6:00 left in the game.

Secondly, yeah, people are being critical for losing two games to two tough opponents...but those opponents were not as good as us. They weren't as talented as us. They just outplayed us...and they didn't play with handcuffs on.

Thirdly, if Texas did score a TD or two on our D, I would be upset, but blame the offense/special teams/whoever for giving them the ball four times inside the 35.

Well I can think of a Wisky in 03 when we came back with 2 minutes left and they scored on that long pass. Also MSU was in the last 2 minutes.

I think we have had some comebacks, but we are never out of games and we can't always make the plays. It isnt like we have Elway and his late game heroics at qb.

PSU played the same way we play every week. They beat us at their own game. I am sure if we score on that last drive and win in ot, their fans would be complaing that Paterno sat on the lead, like Tress always does.

Also I don't think we played handcuffed against Texas we just didnt make plays. Take for example if we play handcuffed we don't try the pass on 2nd down and move back 5 yds on Hustons missed fg.

Also It is hard for me to sit here and say those teams arent as talented as us. I think overall the three teams are pretty equal. I think 7 out of 10 times the home team would win in the games too.

 

[hoat]

I'm just wondering why so much of the spread offense?

I seem to recall tOSU running alot of I formations and guys like Terry Glenn, David Boston, Joey Galloway(to name just a couple) having huge years for the Bucks. I'm more old school in I think we need to run more power formations. Make defenses commit to the run, and get more 1 on 1 match up's for the receivers. I know you won't keep them all happy by running 1 and 2 receiver sets, but it works better than making them happy by putting them on the field and not getting them the ball.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

For one, spread is en vouge, much like the triple option back in the 70s.

It's not a bad O, it just needs to be run efficiently. Short passes, quick hitter runs... Seems to me, and I'm no Offensive Guru, but it seems to me our blocking schemes don't open running lanes the way they should for a quick hitter running game... I'm think about Purdue here, Jared Void I think it was, got ALL DAY to run because of the blocking schemes out of the "pass happy" O.

OSU seems to prefer to run the QB rather than to hand off out of the spread.

 

[hoat]

One major problem I have with tOSU running the spread.

The O line is not recruited for this type of offense. The spread needs very mobile O lineman IMO. I believe for the blocking to work right you need more pulling and trapping. The defense commiting to one thing and hitting them with something else. Watching NW(who doesn't have the same caliber of athlete's) I was very impressed with the way they made it work when they ran it. They have smaller more mobile lineman.

The other problem you run into is execution. I know that if you execute most of the plays in the spread they will normally be effective. Poor execution and not getting the ball into the playmakers hands in space is the biggest problem for the offense.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[FKAGobucks877]

Well I can think of a Wisky in 03 when we came back with 2 minutes left and they scored on that long pass. Also MSU was in the last 2 minutes.

I think we have had some comebacks, but we are never out of games and we can't always make the plays. It isnt like we have Elway and his late game heroics at qb.

PSU played the same way we play every week. They beat us at their own game. I am sure if we score on that last drive and win in ot, their fans would be complaing that Paterno sat on the lead, like Tress always does.

Also I don't think we played handcuffed against Texas we just didnt make plays. Take for example if we play handcuffed we don't try the pass on 2nd down and move back 5 yds on Hustons missed fg.

Also It is hard for me to sit here and say those teams arent as talented as us. I think overall the three teams are pretty equal. I think 7 out of 10 times the home team would win in the games too.

It's probably best to just agree to disagree at this point. It's been a fun debate, but now we're into the realm of simply disagreeing...no way do I think PSU has near the talent and experience of us, especially on offense. Their playmakers are all frosh, save for a QB with less experience than either one of ours. We can keep going in circles, but what's the point?

Again, good debate. It's nice to be able to hash this stuff out without roid rages and name calling. Well, at least every once in a while...

 

[AKAK]

That I can completely agree with...

Oh sure.... Agree when McIrish says it.

 

[crazybuckfan40]

I agree, I see where you are coming from, but sometimes I feel you just have to give credit where credit is due.

It's probably best to just agree to disagree at this point. It's been a fun debate, but now we're into the realm of simply disagreeing...no way do I think PSU has near the talent and experience of us, especially on offense. Their playmakers are all frosh, save for a QB with less experience than either one of ours. We can keep going in circles, but what's the point?

Again, good debate. It's nice to be able to hash this stuff out without roid rages and name calling. Well, at least every once in a while...

 

[Paul Cowan]

Coaching
a. Instruction

Let me be blasphemous for just a minute before I get reamed.

Two questions about TG2:

1. Is Ted Ginn best served playing Wide Receiver?

2. When comparing him to the guys behind him on the depth chart, is he the best route runner?

These are my concerns about TG2. Let me address #1.

Is TG2 playing out of position? I believe he is. Ginn can only make the defense better. But while we are so busy misusing his talent on offense, we may never see what made him the consensus #1 ranked DB in the 2004 class. We are loaded with offensive talent. Holmes, Hall, Gonzalez, Dukes, Robiskie, Jordan, Lyons..... We need to be using them and let TG2 be the DB he was recruited as. Which brings me to my next point

Ginn is still learning to play WR. This is pure fact. Seems that the routes he is given are jumped all the time now. If we are going to use him on offense, it shouldn't be the same series of screens, hooks, and reverses that we always use. There is not one man on the field that can cover him one on one down the field. If we are afraid to go deep with him, why is he on the field?

Should Gonzalez be the #2 guy behind Holmes and should Dukes or Hall or maybe even Robiskie or Lyons be the #3?

We all know Ginn can make plays. But the pressure on him to be Gamble/Holmes/Reggie Bush rolled into one is absolutely oppressive. Seems to me that he is rarely open because defenses know he isn't going deep. We never use him that way. We did once against MU and it was a 42 yard TD.

By using Ginn the way we are, defenses know they can sit one guy on Ginn in a short zone and wait for the quick hitch and then tackle him. That makes it too easy to cover Holmes with two and cheat up the other safety to spy Smith or cover Gonzo. Meanwhile, the backers can sell out on the run knowing nothing is going on behind them.

This is just my take. And it boils down that fact that our offense is not vanilla. It tastes like cardboard its so bland.

We are misusing the talent we have on the field and disrespecting the talent we have on the bench by doing so. Period. And that my friends, is coaching.

Good post that makes a lot of sense. In sports the axiom is to get the ball to your star or stars in this case. Superior talent will always win out if used oroperly. The intangibles of coaching come into play here. All frontline coaches probably know X's & O's, but that in itself does not win games. Using available talent in the best positions and utilizing the best skills and weapons of each player is what separates real coaches from pretenders. Anyone can win the majority of games when they have far superior players, (i.e.) Michigan, Ohio State, but they cannot win the big ones when they meet up with equal or near equal talent. That my friends requires superior coaching too. Bear Brayant siad " I can take mine and beat yorn, or I can take yorn and beat mine" and he usually could!

 

[lvbuckeye]

i think that the problems on offense stem from the fact that the coaches simply call the plays without regard to what the defense is doing... what i want to see is a 12 or 15 play script to start the game, then evaluate what the D is doing, adjust accordingly, and ATTACK. we almost NEVER attack the defense. we just go out there and run plays and hope they work.

if the offense played with the same attacking style as the D, we would score a TON more points.

there was a comment that Donte Whitner made about the Defensive philosophy at the start of the season which was that the D was going to attack the opposition and MAKE THEM BEAT US, rather than playing passively, and allowing them to move the ball... instead of sitting back in soft zones, and hoping that the other team would eventually stall, the D would force the issue... that approach has been wildly successful this season.

now i want to see that approach on the offensive side of the ball... you have to MAKE them beat you, not let them...

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Interesting point, LV. I think you're on the money, though I didn't think of it in those terms.

 

[jwinslow]

we are losing b/c our new uniform pants suck donkey balls. They are a cancer that prevents any good offense from taking place. Thankfully that is helpful for the defense.

Not sure why we have white pants. They are a heck of a lot more white than gray, just see my sig pic. And the old ones were cool b/c they matched the shine of the helmets. Nike thought the matte Texas see-through ones were so cool that they brought them to Columbus.

 

[osugrad21]

i think that the problems on offense stem from the fact that the coaches simply call the plays without regard to what the defense is doing... what i want to see is a 12 or 15 play script to start the game, then evaluate what the D is doing, adjust accordingly, and ATTACK. we almost NEVER attack the defense. we just go out there and run plays and hope they work.

if the offense played with the same attacking style as the D, we would score a TON more points.

there was a comment that Donte Whitner made about the Defensive philosophy at the start of the season which was that the D was going to attack the opposition and MAKE THEM BEAT US, rather than playing passively, and allowing them to move the ball... instead of sitting back in soft zones, and hoping that the other team would eventually stall, the D would force the issue... that approach has been wildly successful this season.

now i want to see that approach on the offensive side of the ball... you have to MAKE them beat you, not let them...

True to an extent but I would have to bet the staff is using various tendencies with calls...however, often there will be a bad call from the sideline, then it becomes the QB's job to check out of that play and into something that will work.

 

[Buckin' A]

True to an extent but I would have to bet the staff is using various tendencies with calls...however, often there will be a bad call from the sideline, then it becomes the QB's job to check out of that play and into something that will work.

Exactly grad, but I don't see him doing that too often. We ask our guys to adjust on the fly, split second. JT has far more time than that.

On a side note, when is the last time that we were losing with a couple of minutes left in the game, and any of you were CONFIDENT that we would produce a drive and score?

 

[osugrad21]

Exactly grad, but I don't see him doing that too often. We ask our guys to adjust on the fly, split second. JT has far more time than that.

True. Good point.