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Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by stxbuck, Jan 22, 2005.

  1. stxbuck

    stxbuck Woody wore Sambas

    Why can Tressel motivate the Buckeyes to amazing heights against scUM, BCS teams, bowl games,etc.-but totally struggle against inferior opponents? I know , everyone will say "Tresselball"-guess what-the only game that was won w/ Tresselball was the NC game against Miami. I understand the problems the team has had, I can appreciate the changes they made over the course of the season-I am trying to go deeper into the psyche of Tressel-is the type of person who's back has to be against the wall to put forth a maestro effort? This has been discussed before, but what the hell, i am sick of recruiting talk.
  2. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    If we run the spread next year we will not be in as many close games. IMO we will blow teams out alot more. In the second half of our last two games we went conservative after we had comfortable leads. Things may change when it comes to close games.
  3. AkronBuckeye

    AkronBuckeye Banned


    Tress will always be Tress.....

    He wants to win With Ball control......gaining Field Position and better SPECIAL TEAMS Than His Opponent.....

    He learned this from his Pop... Who Learned from and Loved Woody.....

    Ive followed YSU football for many years.....if you dont like Tressel ball now you never will.....

    But do yourself a favor as long as ole JT is here Enjoy the ride.....

    Because this rideIt might be better than Ole Woodies......JMHO
  4. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    I don't see Tressel going from the spread offense anytime soon. He knows he gots something special here with Ginn and company and he will utilize them in the spread. IMO when we get up Big in the second half on teams he will become very conservative.
  5. jackson

    jackson Newbie


    his goal is not win every game. His goal is to graduate every player with A NC ring and get the seniors a pair of gold pants every year. Key word being graduate. most lessor coaches would have spent 2004 trying to win 9 OR 10 games with kids. In the process long term damage would have been done. Ginn would have been injured running back kickoffs and would be failing English since he was learning football the whole time.
    Tressel focused on academics, academics, learning multi positions, and ego checking. The bye week this past year the whole media is saying ohh the bucks are studying up, getting ready for iowa la la la then you hear coming from the players that they were focusing on English, math, academics . To learn you have to be in great shape, mentally.
    Tressel was building another National Champion. A physically diverse intelligent team. A learning one game season..."the game."
    Look at my vcash. How did I know not to bet on the bucks against Northwestern? I knew as soon as I saw the look in Tressels face in an interview with the question about the 6 million game win streak against the wildcats. The team was begging at 3-0 ranked #4 for a lesson on ego's. Troys Smith complaining publically, two other offensive players calling publicly for him to play. Carpenter questioning the coaches calls, etc etc. They knew too much to learn a thing, typical kids. I'm not saying Tressel threw that game. I am saying he let the kids have their way so they could get humbled. He was not going to use his kasparov play calling to out smart NW. He said hear is what we are running if you can beat us you deserve to win, and they did. But they had more lessons to learn. The hardest thing to do as a mentor is to save someone from themselves. By the end of the purdue game those kids were ready to take whatever advice the guy with the 5 rings was going to give and clutch it for dear life.
    Next year they will have already learned to succeed in the classroom and the field in multiple positions. when they come across another school, like Kansas State, in a big game tressel will point out the JUCO's or weaknesses on the other team and build their ego's back up, with respect and humility, and point out they might be smarter than the other team. If they come across another team like Michigan this year that wore out the same 10 guys playing the same 10 spots on both sides of the ball Tressel will say we have more options than them. And they probably will be smarter and more diverse. Tressel loses little sleep over any losses this year because they did not deserve to win they were not yet Champions. When they deserve to be champions and lose..that will be a loss...instead of a learning experience.
    Plan on another 25-2 type run the next two years. I felt tressel was brilliant this year. he got the coach of the year trophy in 2002 but he won most of it in 2001. Next year and the year after they will be calling him brilliant again but it will be for job he did in 2004.
  6. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Bookie

    I'm sorry, but Ted Ginn's English grade has nothing to do with how much he gets the ball, and a conservative gameplan does not graduate more players.

    My theory is that Tressel manages the team based on the idea that each year is composed of four seasons - the non-conference schedule, the rest of the Big Ten schedule, the m*ch*g*n game, and the bowl game. While he tries to win every game, he's also macromanaging with an eye on the final two seasons. Because of that, he's always holding a little something back for those two.

    Also, don't discount the Cooper effect. I'm sure Jim Tressel realizes that Ohio State will almost always be able to survive the first two seasons on prudent gameplanning and talent. He's a very wise risk-taker. Tressel will play it closer to the vest (pun fully intended:tongue2: ) during the first two seasons, then manage more aggressively during the second two. This is the exact opposite of what his predecessor did. Mistakes (or failure to seize opportunities) during the second two seasons are intensely magnified, and therefore it's in Jim Tressel's interest to save his best for then.

    Think back to the winning drive in the scUM game in 2002. Two of the most crucial plays came on looks that LLLoyd hadn't seen on film from any game previous (the wheel pass to Clarett and the option to Mo Hall). If I remember correctly, that option play was the only option play the Bucks ran all that season, and that's precisely why it was effective. That risk he took was set up by the style he showed during the first two seasons that year. Jim Tressel is very good at playing possum.

    Also, keep in mind that John Cooper didn't get fired because he lost to Wisconsin, Minnesota, Miami, Penn State, or Illinois. He got fired because he couldn't beat South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida St., Alabama, Georgia, Syracuse, Air Force, and most importantly, m*ch*g*n.
  7. kn1f3party

    kn1f3party Junior

    I've heard this argument / question before. I think it just took him a while to realise how to use this talent. The bottom line is, we're looking really good now and lets continue that trend. I'd rather go 14-0 with several overtimes than lose that final game of the season year after year. It wasn't that long ago.
  8. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    I think jlb1705 has it. Tressel understands. TSUN is a season all its own.

    Cooper lost to UM because he ran up ridiculous scores on patsies like Rice and then had nothing new to show at a crucial moment against the big opponents.

    There were a few of us saying earlier in the season that Tressel was saving something back for UM and that we'd see a wide open offense for TSUN and I think some of the BP community thought we should go back to our crack pipes (oh, the memories). Carr will now understand this pattern of behavior; forget the film, what you're going to see from Jim Tressel is something new. And look out for those killer dogs!

    To me, Tressel is a lot like Woody in this respect. He's a strategist. Woody planned for TSUN the whole year. He was planning next year the minute the game finished, at least once he calmed down from missing the opportunity to run in the two point conversion! Where he is not like Woody is that he doesn't wear his passion on his sleeve. It's buried much deeper. But it is every bit as strong.

    Strategist or not, kn1f3party has a really valid point. With so many people leaving, it took Tressel and his coaching staff a while to get the chemistry right. It's a damn shame that Smith screwed that up, but then he wasn't missed all that much in the Alamo Bowl either. On the other hand, this team was the Big Ten's best at year end and should have played in the Rose Bowl and given the Big 10 a victory.

    I wonder if Tressel will even open it up against Texas either, unless we're behind at the half or looking very vulnerable without opening it up, in his assessment.

    I don't like losing any game. But I'd rather lose to Northwestern, and I work next door to one of their alumni, than to TSUN. I like this coach. I like beating TSUN. I like winning bowl games.

    I like thinking that we're really in it for a NC, not one of the wannabees who is going to button it up with a three-point lead and then fade in Ann Arbor.
  9. IrontonBuck

    IrontonBuck Walk On

    I'm with Jackson on this one. I think Tressel (and other legendary coaches) uses losses to prepare the team to be champions. Sometimes a team has to taste defeat, disappointment, and embarassment to be cleansed of egos, jealousy, and conceit. If these things are eventually going to cause a loss, better if you can choose which game it's going to be. The Buckeyes weren't going to be undefeated in 2004, under any circumstances. Now, because of the way Tressel prepared them, in 2005 they might be.

    This opinion will be proven when the Bucks come out firing in 2005, and don't revert to conservative play as many predict.
  10. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    Nice post Ironton!! I think everybody agrees with what youir saying but I don't think Tressel scraps the spread. I think he knows whats buttering the Buckeye bread.
  11. jackson

    jackson Newbie

    I'm sorry, but Ted Ginn's English grade has nothing to do with how much he gets the ball, and a conservative gameplan does not graduate more players.

    I'm sorry, but tell that to #29. you have to earn the right to play on and off the field. And if the priority for freshman is academics over playbook and the team is full of them then yes a conservative game plan does graduate more players. More importantly than knowing who you are is knowing who you are not. The conservative game plan has more to do with learning to walk before learning to run and it don't have anything to do with john cooper?
  12. IrontonBuck

    IrontonBuck Walk On

    That's right, Brutus. I agree. But only because the team is READY to run the spread.
  13. BoxCar_Willie

    BoxCar_Willie The World's Favorite Hobo

    I'm with Jackson and Ironton on this one.

    But we're forgetting about one important fact that nobody has touched on.
    Every year in which I have a child born we've won the national championship. 05 is looking pretty good :)
  14. IrontonBuck

    IrontonBuck Walk On

    Well, that seals it! And, how many kids do you have? Five, or Seven? :slappy: :slappy:
  15. jackson

    jackson Newbie

    ironton brings out an interesting point in predicting that tressel keeps the offense open now in 2005. I've been thinking hard about that. One thing tressel does and will do in 2005 is establish tendencies. he will establish them untill everyone on the planet knows exactly what he is going to do next without any doubt. Then he will break his tendency at the last second to win. He is the greatest sandbagger in the history of college football. Having said that, and realizing the truth of Irontons point, I have no idea. The guy is so predictable that he is unpredictable. Maybe the XO guys can chime in here and figure out how tressel will use this offense to establish what tendencies...I can't even guess.

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