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WR Ted Ginn, Jr. (Official Thread)

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Hook him up with David Boston's trainer. He'll be 245 and running a 3.95 in no time!



MililaniBuckeye said:
I think you missed my point, when I said: "If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...simply bulking is not the answer." Many folks want him to bulk up simply to be able to take hits better, and not to improve his speed...that is my point.
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Couple of points

1-I am completely in the keep Ginn at WR and don't change a damn thing about him camp! If Ginn needs to improve on anything it is hands and route running-the fundamentals of the WR position.

2-Ginn is not the type of WR who would benefit from bulking up. Asking him to bulk up would be like telling Marvin Harrison or Santana Moss to put on 20lbs of muscle in the off season. He is not a 6'3 or 6'5 freak like Larry Fitzgerald or plaxico Burress, who rely on outjumping and overpowering virtually any DB on the planet, but are not especially fast. Muscle is not critical to Ginn's game. What is critical to his development as a WR, IMO, is for him to work on running deep routes, working on his hands on those long passes thrown up there for him to make a play on-think Terry Glenn 95-, and in general developing chemistry w/ his QBs.

3-Gamble was an extremely raw and underdeveloped Wr his entire career at OSU-Ginn is already of him,IMO. He was able to emerge as a 1st round pick as a CB due to his freakish physical skills-which he was able to rely on to an amazing degree, while still remaining somewhat raw technique wise. Gamble was a productive CB-he was not a productive WR. Ginn is a productive WR.

4- A college coach plays his recruits w/ two way potential at the position where they will make the biggest overall impact for the good of the team. It is often said that DBs are WRs who cannot catch the ball. Guess what-Ginn can catch the ball, and is able to put his speed to better use than simply covering his half of the field. Shutdown corners are valuable, but not as valuable as a guy who has Ginn's ability to take it to the house on any given play-and actually does on a consistent basis. A lot of guys are described that way, but few players ever have demonstated this consistently the way Ginn has. Rocket Ismail is probably the last college player w/ Ginn's level of explosiveness at the college level,IMO.
 
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I'll let the coaches decide whether or not to put him in as a DB.

But I do want to see Teddy returning kickoffs, as well as punts, next year. I'm sure the coaches will listen to me on that. :biggrin:

If he doesn't do kickoff returns, there will be a lot of armchair coaching/bitching going on, unless somebody else takes at least a couple all the way.
 
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Now, I've never seen Ginn at a practice or on the track, so my observations are based only on what I've seen him do on the field. I have spent a few years in competative cross-country and track and have a good feeling of a players running abilities and the quirks that follow the physical traits given to them. First of all, his legs are improportionately larger than his arms, which gives him that killer 5-6 yard stride when he gets up to speed. Second, his feet pronate considerably (his feet roll from the outside to the inside on every stride) from what looks like flat feet. If he indeed has low arches than it is in his best interest to bulk up his lower body to avoid injury. What I'm scared about is at his current level of fitness, he is very injury prone - a hit to the knees, or getting his ankle tweaked by being pulled to the ground would be detrimental. Extra muscle mass gives the support to tendons strained by less-than-optimal bone placement (aka low arches). But like I said, these are only observations, and poor ones at best, if you really think about it.
 
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I really like Ginn where he is now, at WR, but the problem is: If not Teddy then who? I still haven't heard the full story on EJ Underwood, but he really struggled against Wisconsin and Purdue and it seems like he might not be on the team next year? If he's unable to play, then who do we go to? Is Brandon Underwood ready to step up as a RS frosh? How about Jenkins, O'Neal, or Amos as a true frosh? Could Shaun Lane play CB despite being 5'10? Will Nick Patterson contribute in some way? We have a lot of uncertainty, and while I hope that someone will step in by spring ball, I'm thinking that if TG2 takes the other corner spot, we instantly have a top 5 defense nationally. Excellent secondary. World Class Linebackers. Very good defensive line (though the ends may need to step up yet). Then you add in Mark Snyder who isn't afraid to allow them to play agressively. I don't want to slam Dantonio in any way, but Snyder has grown into the position and I love the way he keeps the defensive pressure up, even with a big lead. This could be a better defense than 2002..
 
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Fatasses? Speak for yourself!

jimotis4heisman said:
the thing i love about all the ginn getting bigger threads is that a bunch of fatasses all of a sudden become personal trainers. ohio state has a world class s&c conditioning program they wont mess him up. but just to be safe we better stop working him completely relegating him to a couch all spring and summer just to be sure
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Also, I held a National Academy of Sports Medicine degree for Strength and Conditioning for 5+yrs. Since then I've moved on to other things...So I hope you're not barking at me.
 
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I must say three things.

#1) Defense wins championships. Of all fans of all teams, I thought you guys would know this by now.

#2) I strongly believe many of you are having difficulty comprehending the talent we have in front of us and are being shortsighted in how to utilize it.

#3) Ginn is running track this winter. I would all but guarantee you that if he is putting on 10-15 lbs of weight and it takes away any of his speed, his track coach will put a quick stop to that.
3a) Ginn wants to be an Olympic hurdler some day. I don't think he is going to do anything that will hurt that dream (ie lose speed)
3b) It was mentioned on the telecast the other day. Someone asked Ginn if hurdling helped him as a WR. The answer that yes, it did for several reasons, but it helped him far more as a CB, because the most important thing for a world class hurdler is to have good hips, and those of you that know the game are well aware that great CBs have to have good hip movement.

Obviously, none of us have ever seen him play CB at the college level, but he has all the elements to be one of the best CBs ever. Great hips, world class speed, soft hands, quickness, closing speed and fabulous instincts. Oh, and a desire to be the best CB, to be on the level of Deion.

If you think he is devastating on Punt Returns, imagine him after an interception with a bunch of open field and offensive players trying to tackle him.

Besides, if he truly is as lock down as I think he would be (maybe not out of the gate, but for sure by middle of next year), offenses would stop throwing to his side of the field, which would help conserve his energy for offense and special teams.

I think when it comes to Ginn, Tressel must dare to be great.
 
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Here's what 'experts' Tim May and Ken Gordon at the Columbus Dispatch had to say on the subject, as posted on Xtras and Os this morning:

Question : Should Ted Ginn Jr . play both ways ?
Answer : No, except for cameo appearances in the secondary. Ginn is just too important on offense to risk wearing him down with anything close to regular work as a defensive back. Offensively, he is that most special and rare of players — someone who single-handedly changes the way opposing defenses must scheme. Ginn’s shiftiness and sense of where he is on the field make him a threat to score every time he touches the ball. Considering how much Ohio State struggled offensively before Ginn began playing regularly, the Buckeyes would be wise to let Ginn catch passes rather than defend them.
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The sentence that Ginn "single-handedly changes the way opposing defenses scheme" sounds vaguely familiar.
 
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im not barking at you hbuck, im sitting here laughing nearly hysterically at all the experts. you also have experience dealing with these world class s&c coaches-although not the same ones- that teddy and the other osu players work with. you have seen what these programs can do to absolute freaks (joey gallowaY) trust me on this one they are gonna evalute and get the aboslute very best program for theodore, hes running track we know that for sure. they are not gonna turn him into a some slow poke. on whether or not he plays defense, he will do what ever gets the team the best chance to win. (my guess would be a combo of both, but neither every play)
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I think you missed my point, when I said: "If he gains weight on his upper frame, it could slow him down...simply bulking is not the answer." Many folks want him to bulk up simply to be able to take hits better, and not to improve his speed...that is my point.
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Mili,
You can't just pick a portion of what I have posted and distort my entire view of this. If you just want to make a point then make your point, don't mis-qoute people like those at ESPN do. Read my entire post again and see if my view was that Teddy should just bulk up. I clearly stated that proper training is the key, and that his coaches would know more about that than any of us do.
 
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It is only fair to want see Ginn as a DB because of the lack of depth at the other DB since Dustin Fox's departure. He did come to OSU as the top HS DB in the country. I dont dee anything wrong with him playing a little nickle or dime back.
 
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MegaWoody said:
Here's what 'experts' Tim May and Ken Gordon at the Columbus Dispatch had to say on the subject, as posted on Xtras and Os this morning:


The sentence that Ginn "single-handedly changes the way opposing defenses scheme" sounds vaguely familiar.
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And Tim May and Ken Gordon are expert in what area, MegaWoody? They are reports/writers, not trainers, coaches nor players. If you don't want Teddy play defense because you are affraid that he can get hurt, then have the balls to say it so. Don't lay the issue behind weight/muscle gain would slow him down talk.
 
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DDOTT said:
It is only fair to want see Ginn as a DB because of the lack of depth at the other DB since Dustin Fox's departure. He did come to OSU as the top HS DB in the country. I dont dee anything wrong with him playing a little nickle or dime back.
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Lack of Depth?

Ashton Youboty - Starter
EJ Underwood - former starter
Micheal Roberts
Brandon Underwood
Nick Patterson
SirJo Welch - actually, Donte Wittner, as SirJo is clearly a S - put him at SS and Lights Out on the corner.
Jamario O'Neil

I know there is a lot of "unproven" talent listed there, but we are talking about depth, right? Great thing about unproven talent - Antoine Winfield was once unproven. Shawn Spring once was unproven. Ahmed Plummer, Nate Clements.. I could go on.
 
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