Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[y0yoyoin]

I guess we'll just agree to disagree. In my IMO, Jim Tressel is in this situation entirely because of Jim Tressel. He made the decision to not pass the emails to compliance and seek legal counseling. That is entirely on him, not the Tat 5, but I digress. I just hope the NCAA's rebuttal is the end of it.

your right...JT is in THIS situation because of JT...but the emails were about what? and about who?....if my brother steals a car and i lie to the cops about the whereabouts of my brother, and then later get introuble for aiding and abetting, then yes lying is my fault, but it wasnt my problem my dickhead brother stole a fucking car...sorry for the lame example but you know...im disapointed in JT but im still fucking pissed at the players for CAUSING this entire shit storm

 

[GeorgiaBuck2]

Great, now we get to have Dookie V's input on the matter as well. Check out his twitter, such a douche.

 

[BearBuck27]

your right...JT is in THIS situation because of JT...but the emails were about what? and about who?....if my brother steals a car and i lie to the cops about the whereabouts of my brother, and then later get introuble for aiding and abetting, then yes lying is my fault, but it wasnt my problem my dickhead brother stole a fucking car...sorry for the lame example but you know...im disapointed in JT but im still fucking pissed at the players for CAUSING this entire shit storm

Like I said I guess we'll agree to disagree here, and I don't know if the criminal punishment that your brother potentially faces is the same situation as some of your football players sitting the nonconference schedule of their junior seasons, while still having all the other benefits that being a scholarship Ohio State University football player is even in the same zip code.

 

[Ohiensis]

During a time like this, I like to remind myself that Michigan sucks. There, I feel a little better.

 

[Gatorubet]

Is the local newspaper going to support the home boys - or go all in-on bending over backward trashing Tress and tOSU admin to show it is impartial and has "integrity"??

 

[billmac91]

Absolutely terrible. If the NCAA is to maintain even a modicum of consistency they will have to be handing down some big suspensions and probably a bowl ban and vacated wins.

But then again, the NCAA is hardly consistent and certainly not fair. It's hard to predict the outcome of this, but suffice it to say what Ohio State did to "self-penalize" was not nearly enough.

I'm all for a harsher penalty for not coming forward with the information, but lets also not make this a USC vs. Ohio State comparison. At the end of the day we're talking about kids selling there own belongings vs. a player and his family accepting over $500,000 in gifts and perks.

The situations aren't similar at all.

 

[y0yoyoin]

Is the local newspaper going to support the home boys - or go all in-on bending over backward trashing Tress and tOSU admin to show it is impartial and has "integrity"??

i would say right in the middle...the dispatch isnt like the Birmingham News...which by the way i forgot, today was "Bash The Buckeyes Day" on the Paul Fuckbaum show

 

[DesertBuckeye]

After having read the emails and about 18 thousand pages of internet posts on subject, it seems like when Tressel found out about this in April he tried to discipline his players and straighten them out inside the program. He had a clear duty to report this and didn't. Honestly, I think coaches take care of a lot more stuff in-house than the NCAA or anyone else would ever admit...so I don't honestly fault him too much for this.

As big as these programs can be at a major conference school, if you reported every last little thing you'd spend all your time reporting and no time coaching. But.....

What I don't get, is why he didn't fess up to this in December. I cannot believe that a man who pays so much attention to detail could forget something of this magnitude. It isn't reasonable to think that this email exchange merely slipped his mind when the "Tat-5" fiasco went down.

Today's spectacle sounded much more like a program searching for some explanation that might sound acceptable vs a real accounting for what happened. I believe his emotion is grounded in how much he cares for his players...I also believe his loyalty to these guys is why he didn't run it up and rat them out.

Long and short, this seems to me like a coach who found some of his players did some dumb [Mark May] by selling gear. Tressel was looking out for his players and his program by trying to handle it in house, that his players would learn their lesson, and we could all move on with life. He clearly miscalculated on the moving on w/ life part.

It isn't a firing offense...at least not for a guy who generally does things the right way as JT does. The program gained no competitive advantage from these guys getting a free tattoo, so vacating wins seems excessive. I think the fine & suspension will stand as is.

On a semi-related note...god damn we are bad at cheating.

1) For God's sake, if you get a damning email on an account that is subject to FOIA then delete that [Mark May] w/o replying. Someone send Tressel the boxed set of Sopranos....maybe he can learn something.
2) If you are going to cheat, then get something better out of it. Auburn got Cam Newton (and a Heisman and a MNC). Oregon got players...USC got Reggie Bush...we got tattoos and a black eye.
3) If you are going to get busted for it (Tat5), fess up all at once, get it done, beg forgiveness and move on...now instead of the NCAA just moving on, who knows what skeletons they'll be digging up.

 

[BuckeyeNation27]

Great, now we get to have Dookie V's input on the matter as well. Check out his twitter, such a douche.

I think I know how to solve your problem...

 

[generaladm]

I hope they release the name of the lawyer who sent the emails...so everyone knows never to hire the schmuck.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

Absolutely terrible. If the NCAA is to maintain even a modicum of consistency they will have to be handing down some big suspensions and probably a bowl ban and vacated wins.

But then again, the NCAA is hardly consistent and certainly not fair. It's hard to predict the outcome of this, but suffice it to say what Ohio State did to "self-penalize" was not nearly enough.

That was what, $300,000 in gifts? This is what, $5,000 total - max? Along with the fact that the stuff they sold was THEIRS.

Yeah, it's a rather different situation there, Tommy Trojan.

As for JT, yeah he made a bad decision, but let's be for real on this, it was nowhere near as bad as a USC or Auburn decision. If I found out my buckeyes were buying recruits or treating our players like celebrity superstars with free gifts here and there, then I would be thoroughly embarrassed. But this? I lose ZERO respect for JT from this. Hell, it's probably what many of you or I would have done in the same situation. Sure, that's why we aren't the HC, but that doesn't mean a HC can always be a master of human emotion and decision making, even if said coach generally is.

And as for the talk on here of whose fault it was, the players or JT. Yes, it was obviously both, but there would be no emails, no lies, and no cover ups if Pryor and company didn't break what in my opinion is a bull[Mark May] rule to begin with. But there's no point in placing blame at this point, it's done. Time to move on and await the NCAA decision

In the meantime I'll refuse to turn on ESPiN, for the sake of my flatscreen.

 

[sharkonwheels]

This [Mark May] still over TattooGate?

I don't get it - that scrub at Auburn got off scott-free, and a few guys get free tattoos, and get grilled?
Lemme see...

Selling your son...
trading some jerseys for tattoos or living money...

Dang! We MUST HANG those tOSU boys! Let's tie 'em to the back of a pick'em up truck, and drag 'em through the streets of Columbus!

...I'm thinking someone's *COUGH*NCAA*COUGH* priorities are pretty fugged up...

You can sell your son, but not his jersey.
Check.

 

[Gatorubet]

That was what, $300,000 in gifts? This is what, $5,000 total - max? Along with the fact that the stuff they sold was THEIRS.

Yeah, it's a rather different situation there, Tommy Trojan.

As for JT, yeah he made a bad decision, but let's be for real on this, it was nowhere near as bad as a USC or Auburn decision. If I found out my buckeyes were buying recruits or treating our players like celebrity superstars with free gifts here and there, then I would be thoroughly embarrassed. But this? I lose ZERO respect for JT from this. Hell, it's probably what many of you or I would have done in the same situation. Sure, that's why we aren't the HC, but that doesn't mean a HC can always be a master of human emotion and decision making, even if said coach generally is.

And as for the talk on here of whose fault it was, the players or JT. Yes, it was obviously both, but there would be no emails, no lies, and no cover ups if Pryor and company didn't break what in my opinion is a bull[Mark May] rule to begin with. But there's no point in placing blame at this point, it's done. Time to move on and await the NCAA decision

In the meantime I'll refuse to turn on ESPiN, for the sake of my flatscreen.

Nice avatar.

I think that being near the big water has something to do with it.

As to your post, nothing he said was disrespectful. As a guy with a dog in the penalty hunt, so to speak, he has a perspective that is worth a listen. I only wish our Trojan Mod would return. He is too cool to rub it in our face, but he is likely remembering some of the comments made on BP about his Trojans. And you know what, getting in a discussion about whose major violations are worse is not really a productive path to take. ( I say this as a guy whose program was rightfully hammered in the 80s...Talking about why so and so was worse has not been a good idea over the years )

 

[Gatorubet]

This [Mark May] still over TattooGate?

You're a stranger. Strangers don't last long around here.

 

[DiaBuckeye]

Nice avatar.

I think that being near the big water has something to do with it.

As to your post, nothing he said was disrespectful. As a guy with a dog in the penalty hunt, so to speak, he has a perspective that is worth a listen. I only wish our Trojan Mod would return. He is too cool to rub it in our face, but he is likely remembering some of the comments made on BP about his Trojans. And you know what, getting in a discussion about whose major violations are worse is not really a productive path to take.

As to my avatar, it is certainly debatable. One might say that they only hit in the South due to the fact that they can't play ball up in that there colllld football weather. Others might argue that it is because God knows the South is the region of this country that needs a bath most. Your opinion, however, certainly has merit, being near water tends to make things wetter, though I'd have to see some in-depth research on the subject to make a definitive assertion.

As to his post, I get it. And I'm not trying to start a flame war. But this is Buckeye planet, is it not? Comparing Trojans to Buckeyes is like comparing apples to sailboats, and that comparison extends to major rule violations, no further discussion needed.

I didn't intend to be disrespectful to him, but I was baited I tell you! In my opinion, and it seems many other posters' opinions, the recommended punishment does fit the crime given tOSU's and JT's pristine reputation and history of self-reporting. For someone to question that based on a punishment given to a school so far varying from tOSU -- in nearly every category really, err, grind my gears.