Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[1997Buckeye]

I don't think I would go this far. The FBI could give a [Mark May] about tOSU and JT getting in trouble with the NCAA. In the (as of now) extremely unlikely chance this angle actually has some merit, I would think there are channels that would have been used with the NCAA to keep everything nice and quiet (they have legal counsel as well). "Internal punishments for undisclosed reasons" from tOSU could have easily been used in lieu of outright NCAA-named sanctions to keep things quiet.

As much as I don't fully buy the FBI confidentiality angle, I also firmly think there is more here than meets the eye, and that it will come out before too much longer.

I completely agree. The FBI doesn't care about tOSU. They care about their ongoing investigation. tOSU reporting violations before Janruary 13th could jeopardize this investigation.

 

[buckeyes_rock]

The question, IMO, is

Do you believe that JT would sit on information that he knew would come out in the future?

Yeah this is the part that has always sat strange with me too. JT knew that once the investigation wrapped up, these kids would be found out...so why on earth would he lie?? For a few more wins?? Just doesn't sound like JT...I mean really, I've said all along that this just doesn't sound like Tress at all. It's all just weird.

 

[Mike80]

Yes, that would have been the correct response in April or perhaps December...but not at the presser where it was all out in the open. When JT said at this presser that he had no contact with the FBI, he was no longer under that obligation. (assuming he ever really WAS under any obligation...which it appears he really wasn't)

Not necessarily.

The NCAA puts a gag order on people when they do these type of investigations. The press conference had limits placed upon it, I think that was obvious.

 

[scarletmike]

I completely agree. The FBI doesn't care about tOSU. They care about their ongoing investigation. tOSU reporting violations before Janruary 13th could jeopardize this investigation.

That reply was a response to the last line of the post that I had previously quoted. The FBI could care less and will do absolutely nothing to clear tOSU's name in this instance (assuming for a moment this is even a possibility). They won't approach the NCAA saying "Hey, we forced them to keep it quiet, so do us a favor and let them off the hook." They won't tell the school "Hey, we got you in trouble, here's the info you need to get yourself off the hook." They won't do shit because they don't care. They will finish their investigation and no one will likely be the wiser.

That is, of course, if the whole supposed situation has any base in reality, which I don't think it does.

EDIT: I.E. if this whole FBI gagging Tress and/or tOSU would turn out to be true, we likely won't even know for sure. Tress and co. can say "See, we kept quiet because of an FBI investigation, but if there is really no coverage of the end result of the FBI investigation, it will essentially be a he said/she said situation. You know the FBI won't be saying or providing anything that says "yeah, they're right, we kept them quiet." Pretty much, we're screwed either way unless the FBI investigation results should garner great amounts of publicity.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I don't think I would go this far. The FBI could give a shit about tOSU and JT getting in trouble with the NCAA.

It has nothing to do with the FBI keeping Tressel and OSU from getting in trouble with the NCAA, but rather simply verifying that a high-visibility public institution and one of its main personnel were requested to maintain confidentiality in support of a federal investigation.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

I'm sure there are fans of certain programs that would like to have an "L" erased from the records, that's for sure.

Not that there's been any credible suggestion that Ohio State might have to vacate wins, but here is an explanation anyway:

If a win is "vacated", then the winning team gets nothing (no win, no loss), but the losing team still gets a loss.

If a win is "forfeited", then the winning team gets a loss, and the losing team gets a win.

USC was forced to "vacate" two wins from 2004 and twelve wins from 2005, leaving their final record in 2004 at 11-0, and their final record in 2005 at 0-1 (with the loss being to Texas in the NC game).

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

If a win is "vacated", then the winning team gets nothing (no win, no loss), but the losing team still gets a loss.

Which would mean although we'd have a six-game winning streak against Michigan, they'd have a seven-game losing streak against us.

 

[1997Buckeye]

That reply was a response to the last line of the post that I had previously quoted. The FBI could care less and will do absolutely nothing to clear tOSU's name in this instance (assuming for a moment this is even a possibility). They won't approach the NCAA saying "Hey, we forced them to keep it quiet, so do us a favor and let them off the hook." They won't tell the school "Hey, we got you in trouble, here's the info you need to get yourself off the hook." They won't do [Mark May] because they don't care. They will finish their investigation and no one will likely be the wiser.

That is, of course, if the whole supposed situation has any base in reality, which I don't think it does.

EDIT: I.E. if this whole FBI gagging Tress and/or tOSU would turn out to be true, we likely won't even know for sure. Tress and co. can say "See, we kept quiet because of an FBI investigation, but if there is really no coverage of the end result of the FBI investigation, it will essentially be a he said/she said situation. You know the FBI won't be saying or providing anything that says "yeah, they're right, we kept them quiet." Pretty much, we're screwed either way unless the FBI investigation results should garner great amounts of publicity.

Again, I agree with you for the most part. The ultimate answer may come from the NCAA. If they leave the punishment as is, we should be safe to assume that there is more to the story than we know.

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

USC was forced to "vacate" two wins from 2004 and twelve wins from 2005, leaving their final record in 2004 at 11-0, and their final record in 2005 at 0-1 (with the loss being to Texas in the NC game).

They didn't have to vacate their loss?

I mean:

 

[scarletmike]

It has nothing to do with the FBI keeping Tressel and OSU from getting in trouble with the NCAA, but rather simply verifying that a high-visibility public institution and one of its main personnel were requested to maintain confidentiality in support of a federal investigation.

And I am firmly of the notion that will never be confirmed unless there is publicity over the results of the investigation and a reporter/news outlet pointedly asks the FBI if there was any involvement of/by tOSU. Simply put, we won't find out yes or no unless someone asks specifically and the FBI feels inclined to answer.*


*All on the caveat that this notion of federal involvement is true.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

This sentence really sticks out to me. When was this? Did this happen recently after they discovered, or was someone else actually privy to the information before/during the season? For me, this is a big question that needs answering. He very well could have been contacted by the tOSU attorney without them having already notified the NCAA if this indeed happened before the self-report. This is a big question for me personally, although it may not be in the grand scheme of things.

There's no way on this EARTH that Coach Tressel didn't notify someone.

Here's something else to consider - maybe he DID notify someone in charge...but THEY chose to sit on the emails (or told him to do so).

I just can't see him making this decision all on his own without understanding what the reprocussions would be (which he already understood) and how it would affect his football team and the players involved.

This is where I'm sitting too. Occam's Razor and all...

I don't know... ya know? I'll say this... I'm still planning on punching someone in the nuts over this. JT if it comes out that it was his own decision to sit on the info... GS if he told JT to sit on it... GG if he told GS to sit on it... and that fat bitch who sent the email in the first place.

Fuck'n fuckiety fuck.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Something just does not sit right with me on this whole thing.
JT is smart enough to know that when the Feds had finished their investigation, all this would leak to the public. I don't think he would cover anything up unless required to do so.

I believe that he fwd. the emails to legal and legal contacted the FBI. This whole situation, though looking bad for tOSU, is in the hands of the FBI and they had the entire University on do not talk.

In time, the FBI will exonorate tOSU and JT.

[tinfoilhat] Yup... GS was very quick off the line to say 'he can't answer that." I mean... like frick'n Jesse Owens quick. There's more who saw those emails than JT.[/tinfoilhat]

 

[Coqui]

Maybe someone in corporate IT (I know we have some around here, or at least some that know a lot more than I do) can answer this related question. Would there be a system in place that could be used to scan email archives for key words if you are doing typical _______ housekeeping (fill in the blank with "compliance" in the case of tOSU)? That can be the only way I can think of that they would have found that individual email.

Yes. Depending on the setup, you can find any email written within the corporation. The setup is regarding any emails deleted. Which is why they say be careful what you write in an email at work. If the company truly wanted, they could get any email ever written.

 

[ORD_Buckeye]

Johnny Utah cares.

 

[Gatorubet]

Or, if a blind, orphan child was being held hostage by the Chinese Tong under pain of death if it was reported. I bet he would not report it then.




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