Yahoo, Tattoos, and tOSU (1-year bowl ban, 82 scholly limit for 3 years)

[Mike80]

10tv just confirmed that Gibson's Chrysler "300C" was actually a base model 300 with hubcaps and cloth interior. They claim auction sales from the time range from 13750 to around 20k.

I'm sure the Dispatch clarification will be front and center tomorrow morning. I'm sure all the jackoffs on Twitter will be close behind (Maisel, Fischer, Staples, Dodd, etc). For those keeping track, we've gone from a $0 Chrysler 300C to a $13700 Chrysler 300 base model.

[numby] but the media isn't at fault dammit [/numby]



I KNEW there was a reason I haven't picked up nor read a Disgrace in years.

 

[CleveBucks]

Here's the link.

Car Salesman Says Deals To Ohio State Players Were Fair

"(Gibson) bought a Chrysler 300 -- just the basic 2.7 rental car -- hubcap car, (with) cloth interior," Kniffin said.

According to Kniffin, he was absolutely sure the car was not a Chrysler 300C.

The distinction between a Chrysler 300 and a 300C is important because of the price difference, Aker reported. A brand new base model Chrysler 300's value was about $10,000 less than the 300C, with its Hemi engine. 10 Investigates ran the car's vehicle identification number and checked with other sources to determine that Gibson's car was a base model, as how Kniffin described it.

 

[mercurial1]

They're putting a ridiculous amount of energy into this and it's quickly becoming transparent in that I think they're tryin' to make a statement at the expense of a program that many feel has a "polished halo" and has received preferential treatment beyond reason over the years.

Honestly and after lengthy consideration on the matter I'm fine with stickin' Tress with a year off. This is time for accountability and showing the world we take responsibility for our actions but that's the extent of what should be handed down in terms of punishment. That, and the other suspensions already put in place is more than enough to jerk a knot in our tail and punishment enough for the offenses made.

 

[mercurial1]

Go Bucks!!!

 

[Tlangs]

They're putting a ridiculous amount of energy into this and it's quickly becoming transparent in that I think they're tryin' to make a statement at the expense of a program that many feel has a "polished halo" and has received preferential treatment beyond reason over the years.

Honestly and after lengthy consideration on the matter I'm fine with stickin' Tress with a year off. This is time for accountability and showing the world we take responsibility for our actions but that's the extent of what should be handed down in terms of punishment. That, and the other suspensions already put in place is more than enough to jerk a knot in our tail and punishment enough for the offenses made.

but a year suspension is merely 36 hours or 39 if we make a bowl game.

 

[Jaxbuck]

10tv just confirmed that Gibson's Chrysler "300C" was actually a base model 300 with hubcaps and cloth interior. They claim auction sales from the time range from 13750 to around 20k.

I'm sure the Dispatch clarification will be front and center tomorrow morning. I'm sure all the jackoffs on Twitter will be close behind (Maisel, Fischer, Staples, Dodd, etc). For those keeping track, we've gone from a $0 Chrysler 300C to a $13700 Chrysler 300 base model.

The stat geek in me must point this out again; The only fair way to do this is to take the standard deviation the general public gets from retail and compare it to what the players and families got from retail (while making sure you have the accurate sales price of course). The fact the $0 was a mistake is obviously good but it doesn't mean everything is ok in terms of the car accusations.

The bigger picture of course is that if people are putting this much effort into one player and one car deal they are going to find anything that is there to be found.

 

[utgrad73]

The stat geek in me must point this out again; The only fair way to do this is to take the standard deviation the general public gets from retail and compare it to what the players and families got from retail (while making sure you have the accurate sales price of course). The fact the $0 was a mistake is obviously good but it doesn't mean everything is ok in terms of the car accusations.

The bigger picture of course is that if people are putting this much effort into one player and one car deal they are going to find anything that is there to be found.

One would hope that some Auburn players will get robbing a bank or USC will be found waxing too many surf boards beyond normal team practice hours. We need another distraction to divert the attention for a while. Lane Ave is not the only place on earth seeing these kinds of things.

 

[Mike80]

The stat geek in me must point this out again; The only fair way to do this is to take the standard deviation the general public gets from retail and compare it to what the players and families got from retail (while making sure you have the accurate sales price of course). The fact the $0 was a mistake is obviously good but it doesn't mean everything is ok in terms of the car accusations.

The bigger picture of course is that if people are putting this much effort into one player and one car deal they are going to find anything that is there to be found.

Rental Car. Kills the value.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Rental Car. Kills the value.

The dealer knows its a rental car when they buy it at auction. The value killing is baked into the price from day 1.

Lowest auction price NADA had listed for that kind of car that month was higher than what the dealer sold it to Gibson for. Most retail businesses don't sell their inventory for less than what they paid but it does happen occasionally.

Could be a valid reason(s) for that particular transaction or it could be an indicator of a pattern. Bottom line is an athletes buying a car for less than the dealer was paying at auction, at the very least, is a legitimate red flag.

 

[Mike80]

The dealer knows its a rental car when they buy it at auction. The value killing is baked into the price from day 1.

Lowest auction price NADA had listed for that kind of car that month was higher than what the dealer sold it to Gibson for. Most retail businesses don't sell their inventory for less than what they paid but it does happen occasionally.

Could be a valid reason(s) for that particular transaction or it could be an indicator of a pattern. Bottom line is an athletes buying a car for less than the dealer was paying at auction, at the very least, is a legitimate red flag.

So? Maybe he wanted to move it quickly? It seems like you WANT to see the bogeyman Jax. Happy hunting.

 

[Jaxbuck]

So? Maybe he wanted to move it quickly? It seems like you WANT to see the bogeyman Jax. Happy hunting.

No. I said in the other thread there are reasons why a car could get blown out for less than wholesale, that one car deal isn't going to prove the improper benefits case one way or the other and gave a way to actually disprove it if its false. That's why this part of the latest rumors concerns me.

You have to be pretty far down the river in Egypt to think a player buying a car for less than wholesale, 50+ players and family hitting 1 or 2 dealers and the salesman getting comp'd in sideline passes isn't at the very least suspicious. I've also said many times that I think most programs have a system for getting players a deal on cars so if someone is given a reason to dig they are likely to find something.

My point to your statement was that "its a rental car, end of story" is completely inaccurate. I believe in dealing more with the facts than just bullshitting myself and hoping everything turns out ok. Sorry.

 

[Gatorubet]

While everyone is noting NADA value and the amount of the sale on the title, and while all of that may be dispositive of the questions surrounding the sale at some point - have the purchasers produced evidence of their paying for the cars - whether checks or financing or cash withdrawn from savings?

It really does not make any difference what amount is on the Title, and what the NADA value was at the time of sale, if the buyer did not pay all of whatever amount is on the bill of sale/title.

I have no reason to believe that they (buyers) did not - but it seems that we have no proof that they did either. Does anyone know if tOSU compliance includes the buyers providing proof of the source of the payment, or does producing purchase agreements and copies of titles showing "fair value" satisfy the cursory review by compliance?

 

[3074326]

[numby] but the media isn't at fault dammit [/numby]



I KNEW there was a reason I haven't picked up nor read a Disgrace in years.

Well, they aren't the ones selling stuff, getting tattoos, lying to the NCAA, etc.

 

[Mike80]

Well, they aren't the ones selling stuff, getting tattoos, lying to the NCAA, etc.

However they are the ones reporting patently false information and acting as if the world is going to end because of it....and then not apologizing when proven wrong and it is proven they didn't bother to actually check their facts....

 

[3074326]

However they are the ones reporting patently false information and acting as if the world is going to end because of it....and then not apologizing when proven wrong and it is proven they didn't bother to actually check their facts....

The Dispatch is doing this. Not everyone else. But that doesn't make what OSU has done any better.