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Yet another annoying thread - 500 posts!

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If those are really the types of questions and you get 15 sec. per question, I don't see how you can run out of time (some of the questions require about 5 sec.'s to read and answer)...

9 out of 50 is horrible... these are common sense type questions... how do kids get into college if they can not even get these questions correct...
 
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tibor75 said:
The best Musberger line was after JT was whining to the refs after Iowa scored on the fake field goal,

"Coach, this ain't Tempe..."

classic.
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Tibs, that was by far not the best Musberger line that game, especially since Coach T had a legit beef. the best line went something like this:

ABC has some sort of segment involving Jack Arute on a visit to the William Oxley Thompson Memorial Library. At the end of the piece, Musberger quipped, “There’s Jack and his never ending quest to track down Maurice Clarett.”

Now that's classic!
 
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I just took the sample ESPN test that sears linked, and kept within the 5-minute time limit. I was able to answer 14 of the 15 questions, and got 13 of them right (the one I missed was because I answered inches instead of feet). Theoretically, that would put me up fairly high. Conversely, Gamble's score of 9 out of 50 ranks him right between ignoramus and moron.
 
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Gentleman

This thread has taken some twists.

Please do not be insulted but I have to ask if any of you ever played upper level football in high school or college?

I did although it was quite a while ago. I played with two of arguably the best players in Ohio while in high school. One, a running back, ran for 2500 yards and scored 25 touchdowns his senior year. He was taken out of most games in the second half as we were so far ahead. The other was our tight end and middle linebacker. He was one of those kids that every college team in the country was in on his sophmore year. Neither would be considered a genius and the running back would be considered mentally challenged by some. The running back did not take a scholarship and never went to college. He was offered by everyone and had quite a few enhancements added to some of his offers.The tight end blew everyone away by not going to a major school and had his career shortened by injury. Too be blunt neither would have been admitted to college based on their academic ability.

In college there was a rather large collection of athletes that barely passed and could not speak or write a complete sentence. Many had their girlfriends do their homework. We had tutors that prepared us for tests. They did not give us the answers but you had to be an idiot not to see the similarities. My college room mate, a football player, flunked out his freshman year. He flunked SPEECH! You had to give three speeches and take a final.

We also had several members of the team demoted to second string during their senior year. They all quit and two of the were drafted by the NFL and one played for several years.

The point I am trying to make is there are some really dumb kids getting college scholarships that should not be in school. The other point is that the NFL seems to weigh quite a things in determining whether a player has the skills to make it.

Some people do not test well. Krenzel only got what 38 right? Hell the SCUM QB did better than that.

Like it or not MoC has opened up an opportunity for some of the "student"-athletes to get skip the charade of being a college student. As fans we will miss some of the better athletes. As parents and alumni we may be glad they are not interacting with our childern.
 
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Yeah, but you have to have a certain degree of intelligence to play pro ball, especially in some of the more complex offensive and defensive schemes. I think pro teams will continue to be exclusive to college players since it's easier to assume that most of them are at least semi-intelligent.
 
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I agree but what do you consider intelligence?

Is it the ability to read and write? Or is it the ability to pick up a blitz or adjust to a QB's audible?

I think the second is what the NFL measures.

As you know the ability to do some things after rehearsing over and over again can be easily learned. I think that is what footbal is all about.

The intelligence not to hang out with the wrong crowd or do drugs is what some athletes and people in general lack. How many play a couple years and come out broke?

I know if I was an NFL GM the intellignce test would tell me more about a players long term potential.

Based on his size I do think Gamble will go early in the draft. Hell look what Buffalo did last year in the first round!
 
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I still think it comes down to the fact that the players do not take the test seriously and simply do not care.
Krenzel has to be a smart guy. The NFL already knows this. He doesn't have to proove it through a silly wonderlic test.
Gambles a first round pick and he knows it. (sorry Mili) He wouldn't care about this test either.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
I just took the sample ESPN test that sears linked, and kept within the 5-minute time limit. I was able to answer 14 of the 15 questions, and got 13 of them right (the one I missed was because I answered inches instead of feet). Theoretically, that would put me up fairly high. Conversely, Gamble's score of 9 out of 50 ranks him right between ignoramus and moron.
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I believe in this Wonderlic test the questions get harder as the test goes along. Still, Gamble's score is pathetic. I am sure most players took it seriously. There is nice difference in money for a top 15 player in the draft compared to the 30th pick in the draft.
 
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"I agree but what do you consider intelligence?

Is it the ability to read and write? Or is it the ability to pick up a blitz or adjust to a QB's audible?

I think the second is what the NFL measures."

There's a difference between "intelligence" and "instincts". When you are asked a celebral question such as "What is the next number in the series 8, 4, 2, 1, 1/2, and 1/4?", that requires intelligence. When you react and adjust to opposing players' movements, that requires instincts. Wild animals rely on in-born instincts (along with a degree of learning by experience) in hunting and survival, rather than pure intelligence. As fellow members of the animal kingdom, humans also have a degree of instincts that allow us to react without having to think. There's a clear distinction between the two...
 
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Nature versus Nurture.


I believe what you are referring to as instincts are in fact just the muscle memory and ability to remember something you have seen and performed in practice and games for years.

Most of the best pro players today spend as much if not more time in the film room. They concentrate on tendencies, some which are the result of doing something over and over again for years. Others are the result of a scheme by the coordinators.

I was fortunate that several of my high school coaches actually had NFL experience. While we had superior talent I believe we beat most teams based on preparation. When I got to college I found that I understood the schemes and was able to read the offense better than many of my teammates. My short coming was my limited physical ability and 4 knee surgeries.

Don't get me wrong. The #1 thing that determines success is athletic ability. Playing from Pee-Wees up through college gives you the game intelligence. Practice and film viewing prepares you to react to game situations.

I agree that many of todays professional players are intelligent. On the other hand I think many are border line and that once out of the NFL their actions demonstrate their lack of intelligence. There are other issues such as how and where they were raised and their family situation.
 
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That we can agree on. Look at all the CB's scores, pretty low except for one case. My point is the dumb jock is alive and well. The system has been designed to help them through. I want to win as bad as anyone else. It does make me feel uneasy knowing that kids can get into college and make it through based on the fact they are an athlete.

That is why the Mannings and Krenzels get so much publicity. They are the exception.
 
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"That we can agree on. Look at all the CB's scores, pretty low except for one case. My point is the dumb jock is alive and well."

Bingo! I cannot see how someone can score a frickin' 9 of 50 on that test and still be in college, aside from being a world-class athlete.
 
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