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Cleveland Browns (2013 Season)

Discussion in 'Professional Football' started by NFBuck, Jan 11, 2013.

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  1. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    sheard's combine numbers are almost identical to lamarr woodley's, except sheard had better 40 and 20 yard dash numbers. their broad jump was nearly identical. his combine and measurements are also quite similar to shaun phillips, who's been a very good 3-4 OLB for the chargers.

    oddly enough, sheard averages 2.5 passes defensed per season dropping into coverage from the DE spot, while woodley averages 3. the theory that sheard couldn't switch to a 3-4 OLB doesn't hold a lot of water.
  2. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye The Gun People

    I agree their measurements are similar. That doesn't mean
    Sheard is as fluid or instinctive in space. I honestly don't believe
    He's athletic enough to play the position like Woodley- straight line
    Speed be damned.

    Woodley also has 5 career interceptions - we'll see if Jabaal has that
    ability.

    I'm not saying it isn't possible, I just don't see that kind of player.

    Oh and 20/40 yard dash means little at this position, otherwise I'm
    Pretty sure Vernon Gholston would be a pro-bowler. He was the same
    Size. But not as athletic in space.

    I'll stop repeating my examples there and we'll see what plays out.
  3. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    and you don't see it based on what? sheard's been fine when dropping from the DE spot. his measurements indicate he has the athletic ability. and he's probably playing at about 10-15 lbs heavier than he would in a 3-4 as he's up to about 270 now.
  4. IronBuckI

    IronBuckI Calmer than you are.

    If he's up to 270, and we're going to be playing a 1-gap defense, then why would we move him off the line in the first place? I'm not against moving him, but I'm not sure that I see why we would.
  5. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye The Gun People

    You make it sound like he's dropping into coverage and roaming the field.
    When he drops, he usually checks the TE and follows 5-7 yards to the vacated
    Spot by the linebacker.

    That's about it.

    He came in at 255. While I've not doubt he's 260. I don't think he's 270.
    I'd live to see his measurables right now.
  6. tsteele316

    tsteele316 Mr. Such and Such

    and that's all the coverage responsibilities that either one of phillips or woodely ever have. so, i don't see your point.
  7. Mac

    Mac That's a pain in the buns

    Plain Dealer reporting we're going to hire Norv Turner as OC
  8. LitlBuck

    LitlBuck I Don't Want Any Trouble

    if they can get permission from the Chargers he seemed pretty flexible.
    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/01/cleveland_browns_rob_chudzinsk.html#incart_river
  9. stowfan

    stowfan Senior

    I just watched the opening drive of the AFC playoff game. After a 94 yard kick off return, the Texans run for 2, a receiver has a pass go through his hands, and the QB throws the ball 6 yards over the receiver's head. If that was the Browns, we would be howling.
  10. AuTX Buckeye

    AuTX Buckeye Beam me up, Mr. Speaker. '13 Bowl Upsets Champ

    Gonna disagree.. As Browns fans we would be happy because we expected a turnover :biggrin:
    NJ-Buckeye likes this.
  11. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye The Gun People

    If that was the Browns then it would be nothing
    Short of an absolute miracle to be in the playoffs.
  12. strohs

    strohs Go Bucks!

    Joe I dont know much about, but Haslam I have the complete opposite feeling on. Just listen to his press conferences, the guy is a leader first and foremost. He is exactly what this organization needs...
  13. buckiprof

    buckiprof 21st Century Buckeye Man Staff Member

    Agree that Jimmy is a leader. There is a not so fine line between being a leader with a vision and being a Jones/Davis type. That is where my fear lies....he has too much Jones/Davis in him that will manifest as time goes on. I hope I am wrong about that and that he maintains being the leader who charts the course that this franchise has been lacking since 1999.

    Banner scares me more and more with each passing day. Report from Jason LaCanfora that Whisenhunt basically said no to the job because Banner told him that he (Whisenhunt) would not be able to assemble his staff, that he (Banner) would have final say in the assembling of the staff. I hear that and shake my head. Really, what head coach would agree to not have final say on his staff.

    And that brings me back to Jimmy. Jimmy needs to reign in Banner, IMO, unless that is the model that Jimmy wants to have for the franchise.
  14. Mike80

    Mike80 make it happen

    From what I've been reading (and it's very similar to what you've read I think), Banner is a manager type while Haslam is more of a leader. I've been doing some things with the Center for Excellence in Public Leadership at George Washington University and that is one of the big things they harp on - Managers and Leaders and the differences between the two roles.

    One of the big things they also hit on is succeeding through others, i.e. letting the people under you succeed with as minimal amount of direction as the situation dictates. Hopefully Haslam and Banner are on the same page....
  15. Buckeneye

    Buckeneye The Gun People

    Haslam wants to come across as the man with leadership
    Vision. His first mistake was appointing Banner to carry
    Out that "vision". It isn't hard to get a read on the man
    From just the press conference and personal questions.

    Couple Tony Grossi tweets today are bringing scary
    Revelation to how many of us feel.

    Fact is - there exists a vast difference between being a
    Leader of men, then someone that is in charge and believes
    Because of that they are a "leader".

    I feel Haslam is the latter.
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