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'10 OH OL Matt James (Notre Dame Signee - RIP)

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It seems to me that James has always been legitmately interested in ND itself (not Weis) and if Kelly should go to ND, they could be tough to beat. Just a devil's advocate thought to coaching uncertainty at the other finalists.
 
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RB07OSU;1609185; said:
It seems to me that James has always been legitmately interested in ND itself (not Weis) and if Kelly should go to ND, they could be tough to beat. Just a devil's advocate thought to coaching uncertainty at the other finalists.
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Yeah I agree, I always thought we were his 3rd look behind ND and UC, in that order. Kids from the catholic schools down here sure love ND, regardless of the coach! And UC is gonna be a thorn in our side if Kelly stays because a good number of kids want to stay home and play for an upcoming program. But if Kelly goes to ND, it would be extremely difficult to pull him IMO.
 
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Anyone that acts like they have a good read on James probably has no idea. He probably has his order but I'm sure nobody outside of his "inner circle" knows about it. I've heard so many conflicting stories with him that I'm positive nobody knows anything at this point.
 
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pnuts34;1609491; said:
And UC is gonna be a thorn in our side if Kelly stays because a good number of kids want to stay home and play for an upcoming program.
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Highly disagree with that. It might happen with James but I can't see many others choosing Cincy over OSU in the near future.
 
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BigJim;1609511; said:
Highly disagree with that. It might happen with James but I can't see many others choosing Cincy over OSU in the near future.
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That's fine we can agree to disagree, but there aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus. Just think that Kelly has done a decent job of keeping some of the local talen going to UC. We had 1 cincy guy last year, and 1 next year and I think that's it, but I might be a little off. It's not like we're struggling but this is a big difference than what it once was as far as recruiting, Tress can't just pencil in most kids in Southern OH anymore.
 
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pnuts34;1609632; said:
That's fine we can agree to disagree, but there aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus. Just think that Kelly has done a decent job of keeping some of the local talen going to UC. We had 1 cincy guy last year, and 1 next year and I think that's it, but I might be a little off. It's not like we're struggling but this is a big difference than what it once was as far as recruiting, Tress can't just pencil in most kids in Southern OH anymore.
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How many Cincy kids with OSU offers have actually picked UC over OSU?

So far in the 2010 class? None. Could change with James, but almost certainly won't if Kelly goes elsewhere.

2009 class? None.

2008 class? None.

2007 class? None.

In fact, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but, regardless of where the recruit is from, it doesn't appear that, at least going back through the 2007 class, a single kid has ever picked UC over tOSU when the kid had offers from both.

I'm just not that concerned about UC and Cincy talent. I'm more concerned with Notre Dame and Tennessee.
 
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pnuts34;1609632; said:
That's fine we can agree to disagree, but there aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus. Just think that Kelly has done a decent job of keeping some of the local talen going to UC. We had 1 cincy guy last year, and 1 next year and I think that's it, but I might be a little off. It's not like we're struggling but this is a big difference than what it once was as far as recruiting, Tress can't just pencil in most kids in Southern OH anymore.
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Ohio State's inability to land players from Southwestern Ohio has nothing to do with UC. It has more to do with Notre Dame. The GCL schools are a direct pipeline to South Bend.
 
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pnuts34;1609632; said:
That's fine we can agree to disagree, but there aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus. Just think that Kelly has done a decent job of keeping some of the local talen going to UC. We had 1 cincy guy last year, and 1 next year and I think that's it, but I might be a little off. It's not like we're struggling but this is a big difference than what it once was as far as recruiting, Tress can't just pencil in most kids in Southern OH anymore.
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sepia5;1609657; said:
How many Cincy kids with OSU offers have actually picked UC over OSU?

So far in the 2010 class? None. Could change with James, but almost certainly won't if Kelly goes elsewhere.

2009 class? None.

2008 class? None.

2007 class? None.

In fact, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but, regardless of where the recruit is from, it doesn't appear that, at least going back through the 2007 class, a single kid has ever picked UC over tOSU when the kid had offers from both.

I'm just not that concerned about UC and Cincy talent. I'm more concerned with Notre Dame and Tennessee.
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Sepia, I was actually working on this when your post came in....

Since 2004....

Rivals lists 316 recruits from Cincinnati....

Ohio State has offered 13 of those 316 (4.11%)....

Ohio State has signed 5 of those 13 (Schoenhoft, Smith, Moeller, Clifford, Posey), and has a verbal commitment from one other (Norwell)....

Notre Dame has signed one of those 13 (Rudolph), and has verbal commitments from two others (Hendrix, Welch)....

Michigan has signed one of those 13 (Mixon)....

Tennessee has signed one of those 13 (Martin)....

LSU has a verbal commitment from one of those 13 (Ware)....

One of the 13 is still undecided (James)....

UC has signed none of the 13.

I do not know of a single case where a recruit has signed with UC while holding an offer from tOSU. It may have happened at some point in the distant past, but I rather doubt it. Of course, Matt James may do so this year, so I guess that it's still possible for tOSU to lose a recruit to UC.

In any event, if there "aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus," it has nothing to do with Brian Kelly doing a "decent job of keeping some of the local talent going to UC" ... but rather it has everything to do with big-time programs signing a kid here and there.
 
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SweetBuckeye;1609716; said:
I thought DJ Woods was offered by OSU, but decided to go to UC because he wanted an opportunity to play WR instead of DB.
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DJ Woods was offered by OSU but he verballed to another school. (Nebraska and Bill Callahan). Callahan was fired and D.J. decided to back out of the verbal, and inquired to Ohio State about getting the previous offer back on the table. Ohio State declined. D.J. went on to look at WVU and Cincy, and chose Cincy.

It was speculated Tressel liked D.J. at corner, but Tressel is also known as someone who doesn't pigeon-hold his recruits and finds the best place on the field for them...
 
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If Kelly can start locking down OSU caliber kids from Cincy, then he must really be doing one helluva of a selling job. Sure Cincinnati has been winning games and all but hopefully kids put more into their decision than just a couple of winning seasons...stuff like

Academics - Cincinnati vs OSU academically is not even close. Cincy is a commuter school with really no academic reputation that i can think of. Basically they are Cleveland State but with a decent athletic department.

Facilities - They practice on their stadium field! They wont have an actual practice facility for another year or so...

Tradition - Their only "tradition" is the last 2 season and having all black uniforms.

Stability - How long will Kelly be there??

Like i said, if Cincy really starts winning recruiting battles vs OSU, then more power to them because they must be recruiting their tails off to do so.I can get the whole "stay home and help us build the program" angle, but that causes the player to really compromise in terms of the items listed above.
 
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billmac91;1609717; said:
DJ Woods was offered by OSU but he verballed to another school. (Nebraska and Bill Callahan). Callahan was fired and D.J. decided to back out of the verbal, and inquired to Ohio State about getting the previous offer back on the table. Ohio State declined. D.J. went on to look at WVU and Cincy, and chose Cincy.

It was speculated Tressel liked D.J. at corner, but Tressel is also known as someone who doesn't pigeon-hold his recruits and finds the best place on the field for them...
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I just went back and looked through Woods' thread, and this appears to be the crux of what happened during his recruitment. But, either way, Woods was from Strongsville, so his recruitment doesn't really have a bearing on UC keeping Cincy kids from tOSU.
 
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pnuts34;1609632; said:
That's fine we can agree to disagree, but there aren't many Cincy players heading to cbus. Just think that Kelly has done a decent job of keeping some of the local talen going to UC. We had 1 cincy guy last year, and 1 next year and I think that's it, but I might be a little off. It's not like we're struggling but this is a big difference than what it once was as far as recruiting, Tress can't just pencil in most kids in Southern OH anymore.
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It's not really an opinion situation where you can agree or disagree. As others pointed out, the fact is UC has yet to beat OSU head to head on a recruit.
 
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December 1, 2009
BlueandGold.com?s Recruiting Rumblings
by BLUEANDGOLD.COMSTAFF

? With the coaching change at Notre Dame, reports are beginning to circulate that Cincinnati (OH) St. Xavier offensive tackle Matt James is now down to Ohio State and Cincinnati as his final two choices, with Florida still lingering as the dark horse. However, James is still scheduled to attend the Notre Dame's football banquet on Dec. 4 for his official visit.
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BlueandGold.com // BlueandGold.com’s Recruiting Rumblings
 
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