Care to elaborate?bucklifer;1036670; said:
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bucklifer
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I'm not going to say anymore in keeping with the rules of the forum. I won't be back in this thread, though. My point is that there are other players on the board who have shown more and who have more potential. The staff is getting a little carried away with this idea of offering kids who play on elite and/or championship HS teams. It is a logical error in division: just because the team is good, it doesn't mean that the player is good. Let's not forget that a lot of Ohio's best players (e.g. Glenville and Brookhaven) went up against subpar HS competition.
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Sportsbuck28
Here comes the BOOM
When you show me your five national championship rings I'll begin to think you may be on to something, but until then I trust JT and the staff.
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bucklifer;1036814; said:
Please send your resume to JT as soon as possible so that you can get on staff and keep them from getting a little carried away
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I've only seen him play in one game against a great team, so my previous post on Adam should be taken with a big grain of salt. I'm very surprised with this offer as I figured Ferrell and Studlien to be way ahead of Homan on the board. I would have to think he projects at DE or FB for the staff to offer. Could be wrong but I just think that Ferrell and Studlien are the better prospects. Beyond that guys like Dorian Bell are interested. Anyways I can't wait to see his junior film to get the whole story. Congrats on the offer though.
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WaitingforKickoff
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RB07OSU;1037044; said:
Why are you surprised when the offer came this early? And why do you think this must be an offer at DE or FB?
First, it is completely up in the air whether Ferrell or Studlien will even receive offers. And here we are, a couple of months before NSD, and Homan already has an offer. He got his offer sooner than his brother did. Enough said.
Secondly, have you seen this kid's film? No offense, but I have no idea why people question his ability to play LBer. His sophomore films were fantastic! Obviously a great hitter. Very physical. Moves better than Ferrell does. As I said earlier and as osugrad mentioned, this kid is a carbon copy of his bro except for lack of speed in his sophomore year. There's no reason why that can't change and perhaps he is much faster cuz we just offered.
If it doesn't work out at LBer, sure, he can potentially move down to FB, just like Klein would if he can't cut it at LBer. But to relegate this kid to a FB at this stage when he is clearly a great LBing prospect is silly.
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Tresselbeliever;1037061; said:
Because it's my opinion and not fact...and this is a message board. I just said I was surprised on this offer, take my first eval with a grain of salt because it was one game, and that is was my opinion that the other 2 were better prospects at their given stage. I don't have 5, maybe going on 6 rings so I'm not trying to argue it other than say I'm surprised and looking forward to seeing what his whole junior year looked like, not just one game. It was also my guess he was offered with DE or FB in mind, not stated as fact. Words like "think" tend to suggest that. Yes, I saw his sophmore film and there is no way he is a better athlete than Ferrell at that stage. That could have changed but the last film I saw from Ferrell, Studlien, and Homan, Homan was least impressive and Ferrell could fly. Homan must have progressed a ton and kids do that...give me a break.
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WaitingforKickoff
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Sorry dude but I don't buy it.
Could be wrong but if if a recruit were reading thing like this said about if, even on message boards, I think it's going to leave a bad taste in his mouth. I know you are an excellent poster and makes a lot of positive contributions, but why are we still in the stage of questioning Tressel's calls, on offering kids, given his track record, when he's freakin offering a kid who's not even finished with his JR year yet?
Could be wrong but if if a recruit were reading thing like this said about if, even on message boards, I think it's going to leave a bad taste in his mouth. I know you are an excellent poster and makes a lot of positive contributions, but why are we still in the stage of questioning Tressel's calls, on offering kids, given his track record, when he's freakin offering a kid who's not even finished with his JR year yet?
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Tresselbeliever;1037061; said:
Relax...RB07OSU isn't the only one questioning the timing of this offer...I did as well and I have read stuff by several insiders questioning the timing of the offer as well. The reason we are questioning the timing is because it is hard to predict a position for Adam right now. Most people think he grows out of the LB spot and thus the assertion that he might end up on offense or along the DL (plus the fact they already have 2 LBs committed and are going after others like Quan Fletcher, Petey Smith and Dorian Bell). Conventional wisdom was that the staff would take a look at Adam at camp to get a better read on where he ends up. On the last page I said I hope the staff is projecting Adam on defense because they already told Marrow he was their #1 fullback target in the 2009 class. But on the other hand Adam told said that the staff is looking at him on both sides of the ball...meaning they are looking at him as a fullback too (just like RB07OSU said).
The fact that he received his offer before someone like Ferrell may have more to do with grades than anything else...
I doubt you'll see too many people (bucklifer withstanding) flat out disagreeing with an offer, but to question the timing is not that big a deal...as I said before, if the staff thinks he is offer-worthy, then that is good enough for me. Just surprised to see it come so early...
I don't think it is too far-fetched to think that Adam might fill a role that the staff was looking at Zordich for...and Adam is a similar type of player. Not the flashiest but just a great football player.
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Buckeyes27
Go Bucks! Go Cavaliers!
Mark me down as one that was not all that impressed with Ferrell or Mason. Not saying they are bad players just I think I have seen better. Size will hurt these kids at the next level also, think Moeller and Roll great players but will be on SP teams most their careers at OSU unless they put on some size. But if the OSU staff thinks they are good enough to play for OSU they will get an offer. Homan has a lot going for him. Good size attacks the ball and his speed was much much better his Jr year. I will say this the Staff has seen this kid play many time in games and in camps. Some need to realize there is football in Ohio out side of Youngstown.
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Napoleonbuck
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I actually think Ferrell might get shut out of an offer, simply because I think he projects solely at DE, and it seems like we have plenty of options at DE next year.
I don't think there's any discernable difference between Homan and Studlien. Studlien also has some athleticism questions. Both are regarded as great football players with great instincts and tremendous physicality.
I don't think there's any discernable difference between Homan and Studlien. Studlien also has some athleticism questions. Both are regarded as great football players with great instincts and tremendous physicality.
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tlinc
All-American
I've said this in threads about different recruits, but I think it is pertinent here as well. I believe that Tressel and staff do a certain amount of due diligence before making official offers. They take this due diligence very seriously and they offer less players than most comparable programs. They view these offers seriously and know that a high percentage of them will be accepted, especially in-state offers.
I feel that more than any other program, OSU's due diligence includes an in-depth look at a guy's work ethic and character. They learned from past mistakes (the class of 2003) and have found a formula that seems to be working. They have had a lot of success taking lower rated kids who work hard, love football and understand the game. They have also had a much higher retention rate and better team chemistry than in the past.
In short, I no longer look at the order that OSU offers kids in as an accurate reflection of their talent compared to other kids. Offers seem to come out earlier to guys from big programs. Guys from families that the staff knows. Guys with great academics. Character guys.
As all of this relates to Adam, I would say that just because Homan was the 4th or 5th in-state offer doesn't necessarily mean that he is the 4th best player in Ohio or that the staff views him as a top 5 talent. It may just mean that the OSU staff had completed their due diligence on him more quickly than they did on other prospects. They know his family. They know the kid. They love the work ethic that they see up close every day from his brother. They are comfortable with his level of competition and respect the Coldwater program. They like his work ethic and character and they feel he is talented enough to play here. Therefore, the offer was made.
I feel that more than any other program, OSU's due diligence includes an in-depth look at a guy's work ethic and character. They learned from past mistakes (the class of 2003) and have found a formula that seems to be working. They have had a lot of success taking lower rated kids who work hard, love football and understand the game. They have also had a much higher retention rate and better team chemistry than in the past.
In short, I no longer look at the order that OSU offers kids in as an accurate reflection of their talent compared to other kids. Offers seem to come out earlier to guys from big programs. Guys from families that the staff knows. Guys with great academics. Character guys.
As all of this relates to Adam, I would say that just because Homan was the 4th or 5th in-state offer doesn't necessarily mean that he is the 4th best player in Ohio or that the staff views him as a top 5 talent. It may just mean that the OSU staff had completed their due diligence on him more quickly than they did on other prospects. They know his family. They know the kid. They love the work ethic that they see up close every day from his brother. They are comfortable with his level of competition and respect the Coldwater program. They like his work ethic and character and they feel he is talented enough to play here. Therefore, the offer was made.
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Good stuff guys and worth its own discussion...but let's keep this one on Adam.
Prior posts split to 2009 tOSU Recruiting
Prior posts split to 2009 tOSU Recruiting
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