2009 TSUN News (football only discussion)

[zwem]

To be sure, ND and TSUN are at a crossroads. I expect that ND will pursue a successful head coach from the college ranks. Their experiments have often failed (Faust-HS coach, Davie-college DC, Weis-NFL OC). TSUN, on the other hand, is in the worse position. No matter who they hire, the new coach will not likely run the spread-option and be faced with even more years of rebuilding. I doubt that the arrogance of the TSUN administration will permit them to hire anyone but a high-profile candidate. I suppose the speculation, as with the current meltdown, will continue to be especially entertaining.

Here is a guy that is young but could be a factor in the next several years. I wish Michigan would give him a look because he seems to put a lot of focus on the DEFENSE. He is a nobody but the guy just wins.

Player Bio: Chuck Martin - GRAND VALLEY STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Here is a guy that is young but could be a factor in the next several years. I wish Michigan would give him a look because he seems to put a lot of focus on the DEFENSE. He is a nobody but the guy just wins.

Player Bio: Chuck Martin - GRAND VALLEY STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

Hmmm, Brian Kelly's successor at Grand Valley ... the new Cradle of Coaches, I guess.

 

[BayBuck]

Didn't some people mention KC Keeler as an under-the-radar pick for scUM last time around? He's got an impressive resume in D-3 and I-AA, is a midwestern guy, and his college coach (Tubby Raymond) was a bonafide M*ch*gan Man. Plus, as a bonus, he's used to those ugly helmets already.

 

[Jaxbuck]

Here is a guy that is young but could be a factor in the next several years. I wish Michigan would give him a look because he seems to put a lot of focus on the DEFENSE. He is a nobody but the guy just wins.

Player Bio: Chuck Martin - GRAND VALLEY STATE OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITE

Hmmm, Brian Kelly's successor at Grand Valley ... the new Cradle of Coaches, I guess.

I brought this up when the Domers first brought in Weis and I think its appropriate if ND or scUM are starting the hiring proces again;

Lou Holtz said when he was hired to ND that Ara Parseghian told him he (Ara) needed every bit of HC experience he had to be ready for the job. Holtz then went on to say he felt the same way. Now put aside the recent history of the comical ESPiN critter Holtz has become and remember that in his prime he was as good a coach as there was.

Now if Ara and Lou Holtz both tell me it takes great deal of specific HC experience to deal with all the "other" stuff that comes with being the coach at a high profile school like ND I am going to listen. I brought it up originally as a possible reason why I thought CW would struggle at ND. It probably isn't the only reason but struggle he has.

I'm reminded of it again when I hear names like the Grand Valley State coach. He may be a legend in the making but I think a school like ND or scUM has to look very hard at the depth of a guys HC experience.

YSU was a small time position but Tressel had built a program over several years and had such a strong background that it was obvious to see the difference between that and a guy who hopped from place to place and had never had to demonstrate sustainable success.

I would just be very careful about any candidate who lacked some long term program building success (not just a quick blip in the Won Loss record) AND who's personality and experience weren't a fit for the corporate culture of my school or for all the expectations of the non X and O requirements of a coach at a place like ND/scUM.

 

[NUTS4theBUCKS28]

20 bucks says that mark may has the unthinkable happening come saturday. time to show him up once again for the third straight week lol

 

[MaxBuck]

DRod just said on the Big Show that he needs to recruit "big and fast" defensive players.

Wow. What can I say? The man is a fucking genius.

 

[CalvinistBuck]

I brought this up when the Domers first brought in Weis and I think its appropriate if ND or scUM are starting the hiring proces again;

Lou Holtz said when he was hired to ND that Ara Parseghian told him he (Ara) needed every bit of HC experience he had to be ready for the job. Holtz then went on to say he felt the same way. Now put aside the recent history of the comical ESPiN critter Holtz has become and remember that in his prime he was as good a coach as there was.

Now if Ara and Lou Holtz both tell me it takes great deal of specific HC experience to deal with all the "other" stuff that comes with being the coach at a high profile school like ND I am going to listen. I brought it up originally as a possible reason why I thought CW would struggle at ND. It probably isn't the only reason but struggle he has.

I'm reminded of it again when I hear names like the Grand Valley State coach. He may be a legend in the making but I think a school like ND or scUM has to look very hard at the depth of a guys HC experience.

YSU was a small time position but Tressel had built a program over several years and had such a strong background that it was obvious to see the difference between that and a guy who hopped from place to place and had never had to demonstrate sustainable success.

I would just be very careful about any candidate who lacked some long term program building success (not just a quick blip in the Won Loss record) AND who's personality and experience weren't a fit for the corporate culture of my school or for all the expectations of the non X and O requirements of a coach at a place like ND/scUM.

I agree and said something similar (albeit briefly) in one of these threads earlier today. My assertion is that ND is tired of experimentation. They will primarily pursue candidates with head coaching experience at the university level. Money is no object.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I agree and said something similar (albeit briefly) in one of these threads earlier today. My assertion is that ND is tired of experimentation. They will primarily pursue candidates with head coaching experience at the university level. Money is no object because the offering plates will be passed twice this weekend.

FIFY

 

[buckeyemania11]

so.........

looking at recruiting in the state of Michigan the past 2 years

in 2009 only 2 of the top 10 players in Michigan selected Michigan (5* DT Will Campbell and 4* WR Cameron Gordon)

7 selected Michigan State (2 4* HBs, 2 4* LBs, 4* QB, 4* TE, 4* OL)

and 1 selected Ohio State (4* WR James Jackson)

in 2010 only 1 current top 10 Michigan player has given a verbal to Michigan (4* QB Devin Gardner)

5 have given Verbals to Michigan State (4* DE, 4* LB, 4* QB, 3* DB, 3* HB)

1 has given a verbal to Penn State (4* DE CJ Olaniyan)

and 1 has given a verbal to Iowa (3* LB)

and 1 is has not given a verbal (4* DB Dior Mathis, likely not headed to Michigan)

so it looks like ole dick rod is going to pull 3 top 10 instate players in 2 years

Michigan State has yanked down 12

Rich Rod's constant reaching for out of state recruits puzzles me.....why would you NOT take the solid instate players (especially the defensive ones, which you really need) but instead go out reaching for a bunch of out of state slot WRs and undersized HBs?

I guess he is trying to get lucky and find another White/Slaton? you dont need to reach for recruits at Michigan like you did West Virginia, I dont think good old Dick Rod's mind can process this though

Mark Dantonio has no complaints im sure, hes pulled some solid hauls these past 2 classes from instate alone, thanks to dick rod

 

[jwinslow]

Wanted to archive this here. I expect UM to do better this year, but the stats don't lie.

IIRC, If OSU scores 38 pts this weekend, the defense will break another record held by the other RR team - most points ever surrended by a UM defense.

offense is better, but still very inconsistent and not that great

Correction, the offense is a lot better outside of b10 play. Most use their overall statistics, but look at the numbers within the conference.

4 OOC games: 56 pts (08), 177 pts (09)

7 B10 games: 168 pts (08), 164 pts (09) - Not counting OSU

Let's look at the common opponents. I'd argue that PSU, ILL & Purdue all got worse from last year.

08 | 09 | Oppon | Diff
-------------------
20 | 13 | Illinois | -7
17 | 10 | PSU... | -7
21 | 20 | MSU... | -1
42 | 36 | Purdue | -6
27 | 24 | Wisky. | -3

 

[buckeyemania11]

Wanted to archive this here. I expect UM to do better this year, but the stats don't lie.

IIRC, If OSU scores 38 pts this weekend, the defense will break another record held by the other RR team - most points ever surrended by a UM defense.
Correction, the offense is a lot better outside of b10 play. Most use their overall statistics, but look at the numbers within the conference.

4 OOC games: 56 pts (08), 177 pts (09)

7 B10 games: 168 pts (08), 164 pts (09) - Not counting OSU

Let's look at the common opponents. I'd argue that PSU, ILL & Purdue all got worse from last year.

08 | 09 | Oppon | Diff
-------------------
20 | 13 | Illinois | -7
17 | 10 | PSU... | -7
21 | 20 | MSU... | -1
42 | 36 | Purdue | -6
27 | 24 | Wisky. | -3

a further observation

Michigan averaged 511 YPG OOC (727 of padding vs Delaware State)

their average is down to 321 in conference

they have only gone over 400 once in big 10 play (vs Purdue) after going over 400 in all 4 OOC games

2,251 yards in 7 conference games vs 2,044 in 4 OOC games

 

[jwinslow]

their average is down to 321 in conference

Which is a 17 yd improvement over their pre-OSU 08 B10 campaign.

 

[Bucklion]

MSU is just happy with ending their infamous late season swoons.

Yeah they're much happier to get them out of the way early now

 

[jwinslow]

Some interesting statistics about UM's progress so far.

Most of the data involves 4 OOC games & 7 B10 games. OSU is not included to keep the data equal to this point in time.

Michigan Team Statistics (pre-OSU)

OOC | B10 | Stat
----- | ----- |-------

511 | 321 | Total Off 2009
256 | 304 | Total Off 2008

177 | 164 | Scoring Off 2009
056 | 168 | Scoring Off 2008

064 | 245 | Scoring Def 2009
079 | 226 | Scoring Def 2008

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Common B10 Opponents

08 | 09 | Oppon | Diff
-------------------
20 | 13 | Illinois.. | -7
17 | 10 | PSU.......| -7
21 | 20 | MSU......| -1
42 | 36 | Purdue | -6
27 | 24 | Wisky.. | -3

--------------------------------

Including OSU, UM gave up 347 pts in 2008, the worst in school history.

Before OSU, UM gave up 309 pts in 2009. OSU needs 39 pts to break that record.

 

[jwinslow]

An Interview with Dillon Baxter | mgoblog

Before this turns into a huge Ron Burgundy parody, let's just get everything out of the way now: BAXTER! You ate a whole wheel of cheese? San Diaaagooo. It's German for a whale's va....ok, that's enough.

Dillon Baxter is a four star running back prospect from San Diego, CA. Though he's currently a USC commit he will be visiting this week along with CA WR Kenny Stills and CA LB/S Tony Jefferson. Yes, he plays offense. No he doesn't play defense. He's really good, though, and his highlight video is jazzy.

TOM: Have you guys every thought about all playing together, or talked about it?
DILLON: We talked about playing together all last year, so we’re all kind of looking around to find a cool place. It didn’t work out that we’d all play for USC, so we’re going to see if there’s maybe anywhere else we all like.

TOM: Can this trip change your mind? A lot of people think kids that are committed sometimes take trips just to have fun, is that the case here?
DILLON: No, if this is better than USC then yeah. I’m pretty serious about USC, but who knows. The coaching staff at USC are all hype, and always happy to see you and teach you. I just want to find out how the Michigan coaches are, too.