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2018 tOSU Offense Discussion

5 things learned from Ohio State’s 52-3 drubbing of Rutgers

Haskins for Heisman?

After a breakout game in Week 1, Haskins proved that he could keep the numbers up in Week 2. He didn’t even play the whole game, but put up some video game numbers. On the afternoon, Haskins went 20-of-23 for 233 yards and four (!) scores.

With Haskins at the helm, five completions went for “chunk” yardage, with the longest being a 44-yard TD to Johnnie Dixon. That wasn’t Dixon’s first haul of the afternoon; on Haskins’ third throw of the game, Dixon was the recipient of a 38-yard score.



Even though it was against the imposter-OSU Beavers and a lowly Rutgers team, the first two games of the Haskins era have people believing in his Heisman potential. On Tuesday, the Potomac, Md., native had the third best Heisman Trophy odds, according to Bovada. Will Grier and Tua Tagovailoa may have entered the week as the favs in front of Haskins, but surely, that has to change next week when the new odds come.

A byproduct of Haskins piling up the passing yards is that the receivers get experience. Last season—at least in the early going—the receiving corps looked rusty and inexperience at times. With a bonafide passer in Haskins, those receivers are consistently getting targeted for passes, which makes them better.

Six receivers had at least three receptions on Saturday, with Parris Campbell and K.J. Hill leading the unit at five apiece. In terms of yardage, Johnnie Dixon was the leader; he torched the Rutgers’ defense for a game-leading 89 yards.

When the passing game has defenses on the ropes, life gets easier all around on offense. In years past, the passing game has been an afterthought. Heck, Woody Hayes wasn’t a believer in the pass attack, but, if he saw what Haskins could do, he may be willing to over look the two bad things that can happen when you throw.

lol we have two QBs that can do it all


I said we’d talk about Tate Martell a little bit ago. Let’s talk about him now.

In relief work, he led the Buckeyes on the ground. Let me repeat that: the backup QB had more rushing yards than Dobbins and Weber. He had nine carries on the ground for 95 yards and a touchdown. That rushing TD from 47 yards out came three plays after he was walloped by Damon Haynes. (Martell was shaken up, and Haynes was assessed a 15-yard penalty for a personal foul).

Rushing aside, Martell had a perfect afternoon throwing the ball. He went 10-of-10 for 121 yards and a TD. That passing TD was no short-range connection either; he found Terry McLaurin for a 51-yard strike in the waxing minutes of the second quarter.

J.T. Barrett got hurt, we all witnessed that backup quarterback Cardale Jones could lead that team. While we are nowhere near the College Football Playoff, knowing that your backup QB can be effective is always a good thing to learn. It enables you to breathe a sigh of relief, instead of what happened in 2014, where you finally knew what your backup could do in a conference title game.

Knowing what both QBs can do this early doesn’t give it movie script drama, but it does make the job of Ryan Day and Urban Meyer a little bit easier.

Re: Entire article: https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...reakdown-dwayne-haskins-nick-bosa-chase-young

Re: Woody Hayes wasn’t a believer in the pass attack, but, if he saw what Haskins could do, he may be willing to over look the two bad things that can happen when you throw.

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Not nice to talk shade on a QB who did as much for the program as JT did, but the difference in the passing game is eye-popping obvious. The speed on the throws in the short game and the accuracy in long and short throws is just too obvious to overlook. Oh, and not just in the case of Haskins.
Feel bad for JT but IMO there's a reason he was here all 4 years. Elite QBs go pro early and Haskins is just on another level. I love JT and he's the big tens all time leading QB. With that said Haskins is just the better thrower and it's not even close.
 
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Not nice to talk shade on a QB who did as much for the program as JT did, but the difference in the passing game is eye-popping obvious. The speed on the throws in the short game and the accuracy in long and short throws is just too obvious to overlook. Oh, and not just in the case of Haskins.

I don't think it's throwing a shade. Just two guys with different talents.

Haskins just has NFL caliber arm talent and it's been obvious from day 1. The accuracy is what amazes me so far. Not just completion % accuracy but hitting the receiver in the perfect spot (generally his face mask it seems) so they can use their hands and then use their athleticism. Perfect short passes to the stable of athletes OSU has, makes even the short passing game lethal. Haskins ability on the deep ball is what will keep those safeties back and what has been missing the better part of the past 4 years. Like you said, refreshing to see.

I am trying to keep my expectations in line however and remind myself the two defenses they have faced so far are not top shelf stuff. No questioning DH's arm or accuracy but he has seen little to no pressure yet. Eventually he will and that is the great equalizer for all QB's. I am excited to see how he and the offense handle the better defenses though.
 
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Not nice to talk shade on a QB who did as much for the program as JT did, but the difference in the passing game is eye-popping obvious. The speed on the throws in the short game and the accuracy in long and short throws is just too obvious to overlook. Oh, and not just in the case of Haskins.
JT is the best short yardage back in OSU history and it's not close. He was an incredible run-first QB who was a legend, including two all-time QB performances (MSU 14 & PSU 17).

Dwayne has the talent to be the best passer in OSU history and also not make it close, but we need to see it against proper competition, particularly a talented defense that stays disciplined and takes away his feet. He has very mediocre agility (compared to the incredible athletes that came before him), so containing him before he can utilize his solid straight line speed is important.

Even during the incredible trilogy performance, Bama put Cardale in a million 3rd and longs but had their own Shawn Crable in the middle of the defense. I also forgot how often soft Oregon put OSU in 3rd and long too. Cardale threw and ran his way out of those spots, but could not do so a year later (the scheme didn't help). I tend to think Dwayne will dwarf Cardale because his poise and precision is noticeably better as a passer. Cardale was a rollercoaster of peaks and valleys.

Martell meanwhile could be a blend of them both. He lacks the NFL arm and fullback size of the other two, but his all around game is something special.
 
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I think JT showed he could've been a really good dink and dunk distributor in '14 but injuries, qb uncertainty, and Beck killed it... our olines weren't very good at pass pro til halfway through last year either.
Throw in losing his 2 favorite targets and he became 1 dimensional by the end.
But it wasnt always that way... Beck is a the exact opposite of a qb whisperer. We're seeing it at Texas again.
 
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Feel bad for JT but IMO there's a reason he was here all 4 years. Elite QBs go pro early and Haskins is just on another level. I love JT and he's the big tens all time leading QB. With that said Haskins is just the better thrower and it's not even close.
I look at it moreso as two separate things - being a good college quarterback vs. being a good NFL quarterback - almost as if you're talking about two different positions. There are countless examples of guys who were great college quarterbacks who were never likely to be quarterbacks in the NFL; and some examples of guys who were no great shakes in college, but became good-to-great NFL quarterbacks. I think this is true at quarterback far more than any other position, because it is almost like a different position between the two levels. Barrett was a great college quarterback, maybe the best the program has seen. The fact that you could always tell he probably wasn't an NFL quarterback doesn't take away from that at all.
 
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We can discuss arm talent all day and it’s of course as obvious as every is saying. However, I think one major difference is that Haskins isn’t deterred from throwing into tight coverage or “throwing guys open” if that makes sense. Confidence looks like it’s just as big of a difference as the arm talent.

Guy has no problem pulling the trigger; and we are used to watching a guy just scan the field repeatedly with no confidence in his ability to hit a guy with a defender close to him.

Obviously we will have a better idea this week, but damn if that hasn’t been the case thus far in my opinion.
 
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It's Week 2 and I'm already getting sad that this passing offense may only be around for 1 season.

I am seeing a lot of potential with Tate Martell- he'll run and pass and win a lot- but I'm not ready to give up this spread passing with power run mix. It's too perfect.

My hope is that this DH becomes an example of the prototypical QB we start to go after. With what he's doing in this offense, he has to have young arms excited to join tOSU.
 
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It's Week 2 and I'm already getting sad that this passing offense may only be around for 1 season.

I am seeing a lot of potential with Tate Martell- he'll run and pass and win a lot- but I'm not ready to give up this spread passing with power run mix. It's too perfect.
Same. Its a crime we only get this for 1 year because I fully anticipate Haskins to go pro if he continues on this path.
 
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FILM STUDY: THROUGH TWO GAMES AGAINST POWER-5 OPPONENTS, OHIO STATE'S OFFENSIVE REDESIGN HAS LIVED UP TO THE HYPE

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"You don’t know who is going to get the action. But when you’re team players and you don’t care who gets the attention, that’s when you can be a special group." - Ohio State interim head coach, Ryan Day.

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Since becoming a head coach at Bowling Green in 2001, Urban Meyer has famously stressed one point above all others when it comes to his offensive philosophy. 18 years later, the top bullet point on the first page of his playbook still reads, "Get the ball in the hands of our playmakers. Utilize personnel – don’t force a square peg in a round hole."

That certainly seemed to be true in the early stops in his career, magnifying overlooked talents like Josh Harris and Cole Magner at Bowling Green before elevating Alex Smith to the number one pick in the draft at Utah. At Florida and now, Ohio State, there has been a bevy of dynamic talents to whom the ball could travel, be they running backs, slot-receivers, or a hard-nosed running quarterback.

But this season in Columbus, that philosophy appears to be taking a slightly different form as the entire offense has seemingly been re-shaped to fit the talents of one player: quarterback Dwayne Haskins.

Fans both casual and maniacal have born witness to an explosion of offensive production in the first two weeks of the 2018 season, seeing the Buckeyes cruise to a national-best 129 points and racking up more yards than anyone besides Oklahoma State in the process. Unlike the Cowboys, who put up their gaudy numbers against weathervane schools like Southwest Missouri State and South Alabama, Ohio State beat up on a pair of Power-5 programs.

Already the offense, led by play-callers Ryan Day and Kevin Wilson, has amassed 1,300 yards - 600 on the ground and 700 through the air - signaling a remarkable balance for which many fans have been longing. Not only does it feel like watching a different team than seasons past, in many ways it actually looks like it too.

While the Buckeyes have remained a shotgun-run team, mixing a variety of gap and zone schemes as they always have, this year the group seems to be relying far more heavily on outside zone runs than they ever had in years past. This focus can likely be attributed directly to Wilson, but it fits the qualification of getting playmakers like J.K. Dobbins and Mike Weber the ball while penalizing the defense for overloading the A-gaps as defenses should they try to slow down the inside run game.

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But the run play most fans were interested in seeing has yet to show up. Even on 3rd & short, we have yet to see Haskins keep the ball on an option play and run for a first down, a staple of Meyer's offense ever since Tim Tebow was under center in Gainesville.

Instead, Haskins has relied on his arm, throwing off his option read to hit bubble screens and arrow routes to the flat that get the ball to K.J. Hill or Parris Campbell in the open field.



While this may feel different, not seeing the quarterback barrel through arm tackles on his way to a four-yard gain, the reality is this is still very much the same system we saw last fall with J.T. Barrett under center. The formation and concept shown above were a staple of the system last fall, attacking the pattern-matching Michigan State defense by splitting all four receivers to the wide side of the field and creating confusion, especially when the offense was running at an uptempo pace between snaps.

Similarly, as we saw countless times in the past, the Snag concept provided an easy window to spring an open receiver in goal-line and short-yardage situations.



Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...s-offensive-redesign-has-lived-up-to-the-hype
 
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SKULL SESSION: OHIO STATE'S DEFENSIVE LINE BETTER THAN CLEMSON, DWAYNE HASKINS PASSING OUTSIDE, AND CONFERENCE PRIDE

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RIP CROSSING ROUTES.
Before the season started, I said I expected a lot more throws outside the hashes with Dwayne Haskins at the helm compared to the middle of the field with J.T. Barrett.

Behold:



Part of me loves this, because that chart is indicative of a strong-armed, confident quarterback who can hit those outside throws with ease, but part of me is absolutely terrified because if one of those goes awry or doesn't have enough zip on it, it's absolutely a touchdown the other way.

But that hasn't happened yet, at least this season, so we won't call it a problem until it becomes a problem!

Entire article: https://www.elevenwarriors.com/skul...throw-sidelines-accurate-conference-pride-nfl
 
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JT is the best short yardage back in OSU history and it's not close. He was an incredible run-first QB who was a legend, including two all-time QB performances (MSU 14 & PSU 17).

Dwayne has the talent to be the best passer in OSU history and also not make it close, but we need to see it against proper competition, particularly a talented defense that stays disciplined and takes away his feet. He has very mediocre agility (compared to the incredible athletes that came before him), so containing him before he can utilize his solid straight line speed is important.

Even during the incredible trilogy performance, Bama put Cardale in a million 3rd and longs but had their own Shawn Crable in the middle of the defense. I also forgot how often soft Oregon put OSU in 3rd and long too. Cardale threw and ran his way out of those spots, but could not do so a year later (the scheme didn't help). I tend to think Dwayne will dwarf Cardale because his poise and precision is noticeably better as a passer. Cardale was a rollercoaster of peaks and valleys.

Martell meanwhile could be a blend of them both. He lacks the NFL arm and fullback size of the other two, but his all around game is something special.
Josh always bringing it strong.

Agree completely.

Will just add that there are many wrinkles to add to this offense which will neutralize some of the schemes aimed at exploiting his weakness of scrambling ability. This offense has been cooking on just the basics.
 
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