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2019 tOSU Defense (Official Thread)

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Systems_id said:
From what I've seen so far, this defense (actually goes for the whole team) is playing angry but still extremely disciplined.

Can't really say enough about this unit right now.
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They will be so much better physically than anyone that they play this season that if they just know what they want to do they'll wreck teams.

I just can't get over the amount of depth we have all the way around and physicality of the back 7.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It's going to get mentioned a lot as the year goes on but the Browning/Harrison/Werner LB package is as athletic as I've seen all 3 OSU LB's in forever.
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Forever, for me, is apparently 46 years

The worst linebacker on the 73 squad was Bruce Elia (#36 before 36 was cool). He was drafted in the 4th round and played several years in the NFL. The best imho was Randy Gradishar, who was the 14th overall pick and a multi year pro-bowler for the Broncos (and the worst-ever snub by the HoF). Apparently the NFL disagreed about who was the best, because Rick Middleton (the MLB of course) was selected just before Gradishar with the 13th overall pick.

Yeah, I know Hawk went #5, but based on production at both levels, I’d pick Gradishar before Hawk all day.

And don’t even get me (or @BB73) started on how dominant the 73 defense was.
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
Forever, for me, is apparently 46 years

The worst linebacker on the 73 squad was Bruce Elia (#36 before 36 was cool). He was drafted in the 4th round and played several years in the NFL. The best imho was Randy Gradishar, who was the 14th overall pick and a multi year pro-bowler for the Broncos (and the worst-ever snub by the HoF). Apparently the NFL disagreed about who was the best, because Rick Middleton (the MLB of course) was selected just before Gradishar with the 13th overall pick.

Yeah, I know Hawk went #5, but based on production at both levels, I’d pick Gradishar before Hawk all day.

And don’t even get me (or @BB73) started on how dominant the 73 defense was.
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Offenses are not the same and I’d argue guys from the 70s would look completely lost trying to defend a modern offense.

Meanwhile guys like Browning (6’3” 248 lbs) and Harrison (6’3” 240 lbs) are not only magnitudes more athletic but are also just as big or larger in many cases and would have held up just fine against nothing but 70s power run offenses.

Guys like Werner, Shazier, and Lee who excel defending modern offenses are a different story in terms of holding up against nothing but power run... but arguing about who is “most athletic” based on how good a defense or player was in the 70s is not a real argument.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Offenses are not the same and I’d argue guys from the 70s would look completely lost trying to defend a modern offense.

Meanwhile guys like Browning (6’3” 248 lbs) and Harrison (6’3” 240 lbs) are not only magnitudes more athletic but are also just as big or larger in many cases and would have held up just fine against nothing but 70s power run offenses.

Guys like Werner, Shazier, and Lee who excel defending modern offenses are a different story in terms of holding up against nothing but power run... but arguing about who is “most athletic” based on how good a defense or player was in the 70s is not a real argument.
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Don’t disagree at all which is why I compare guys based on how dominant they were in their era.

Would a 21-year-old Randy Gradishar be the fastest player on the field today?

Not even close.

But in 1973 he was the fastest linebacker in America by a million miles. He was more athletic than most running backs of his day, faster than most wide-outs, and he could still put a pulling guard on his ass so that Middleton could get the TFL (not that they counted such things back in the day). Actually, now that I think about it, they usually ran away from Gradishar, so it would be Elia putting the pulling guard on his ass and Gradishar running the play down from behind most of the time.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Just a fun little anecdote to emphasize the point - does anyone think Randy Gradishar could dunk a basketball?

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Again, I don’t disagree with your point, but there is little doubt in my mind that Gradishar could have dunked. But I doubt he ever tried, because dunking was against the rules and therefore seldom seen in NCAA basketball at the time. It just wasn’t something that people thought about at the time.
 
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