5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

[Nicknam4]

Well, I think they should be paid in cash, over the table and officially, but that's just me. By any definition, these guys are adults working a job. They are just grossly undercompensated.

Did you play a sport in high school? Would you consider that a job? Did they pay you then?

College Athletes ARE paid cash anyway, they are payed thousands of dollars which goes towards their tuition.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Well, I think they should be paid in cash, over the table and officially, but that's just me. By any definition, these guys are adults working a job. They are just grossly undercompensated.

I agree. So pay them a stipend - $100 a month, $1,000 a month, $10,000 a month, whatever. Someone will still break the rules and offer to pay them more, and the kids will take it.

As I mentioned elsewhere, pro athletes who make millions of dollars a year still sell their autographs for fifty bucks a pop, so there's no reason to believe that college athletes making a couple of hundred dollars a month wouldn't do precisely the same thing.

 

[Bill Lucas]

So AJ Green was backed into a corner because he sold the jersey and told no one and then when he was asked to produce the jersey and stated he'd sold it they viewed it as "coming clean"?

Shakes head. SEC logic right there.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

The comments in this board are outstanding and speak to the brilliant fans of Buckeye football:

1. Yes, the kids should be forced to sit out the bowl game and then have a discussion with the NCAA on the number of games suspended in 2011. The way these penalties are set the kids will leave for the NFL which seems counter intuitive.

2. The enforcement practices by the NCAA is beyond understanding. Yes, Auburn's true penalties are still to come, and as a graduate of the U of O I am glad that Cam Newton will be playing (I do not want any excuses when the Ducks win the game) - but he shouldn't be. Anyone reading the NCAA or SEC rules know they were violated and the enforcement should be immediate.

3. It is clear the NCAA has a double standard. No money for players but penalties will be delayed until it does not hurt the piggy bank of the NCAA. It does not take a masters degree for kids to figure out that we have a "do as I say, not as I do" policy.

You are outstanding fans of an athletic program with a tradition of excellence and deserve better than what the NCAA is shoveling.

Best of luck against the Razorbacks!

No doubt. The school can give the players gold medalions and conference championship rings because they are football players, but they can not receive special perks from boosters because they are football players. They also can go to a bowl and receive hundreds of dollars worth of swag because they are football players.

 

[Nicknam4]

So AJ Green was backed into a corner because he sold the jersey and told no one and then when he was asked to produce the jersey and stated he'd sold it they viewed it as "coming clean"?

Shakes head. SEC logic right there.

It's a gray area. He didn't come clean, but he didn't lie about it either.

 

[MaliBuckeye]

It's a gray area. He didn't come clean, but he didn't lie about it either.

Sounds familiar- these guys didn't come clean in 2009 (or afterward), but were honest when asked directly.

And yet, it's five games and not four. My thought is that it's that they had over two years to be honest, whereas AJ's situation was a lot 'quicker'.

 

[3074326]

Terrelle Pryor is a world class athlete in two sports ... you are not. Pryor probably has about 8,000 awards, trophies, medals, recognitions, and various other accolades, so what's one more Big Ten championship ring, more or less? Just another item for the overstuffed trophy case.

I'll soften on my stance about how I don't understand how they'd be able to sell the stuff. I will not soften on my stance about how stupid it was. It was stupid. What's one more Big Ten Championship ring? One more game in a suspension that will effect the rest of his/their team, apparently.

 

[BuckFan38]

Also, the fact that they have been winning these awards every single year.

It's one thing to win the Big Ten for the first time this decade and then sell the ring....its another to sell one out of your 3 Big Ten rings. Same with the gold pants.
I dont see it as being disrespectful to tradition. Their families needed financial help and they sold something that they had multiples of.

 

[yt6]

Thought it was cool that Cowherd read my e mail this afternoon on this topic:

Here is it, I posted a few pages ago

So I have been a Buckeye fan since birth, played college athletics and professional athletics for 14 years. There are clearly two sides to the idea of awards and the value of the actual trophy,ring or award.

First, you work very hard for them and they represent something a very significant accomplishment in your life. They represent team work, success and memories of a great season you had.

Second, however, at the end of the day they are not as valuable as family and relationships. If your family is struggling in some way, and you feel the urgency around helping the needs of those you love, you look for ways to help them. The stuff you have pales in comparison to the needs of your loved ones.

Now if anyone reading this won a great award at work, and were honored with a valuable prize for it. And then lets say your wife or kids becomes sick and needs help, there is not a single person reading this that would not sell everything they had or needed to sell to help the ones you loved. You would not leave a 1,000 watch or award on your shelf while your family struggles to make it through a trial.

Now, realize that these kids are 19 years old, their hands are completely tied to making money, working etc. They had a way to help their families and a way to step into the needs of the people they love. It doesn't seem like they knew they were violating a rule by selling this stuff to help their families. If they did, I would imagine they would not have done it,

These awards mean far more to these players than to you and I. Trust me, I love beating Michigan and winning championships as much as the next guy. But these are the guys that put in the blood and sweat and time to win these things. So none of us should start to assume these things are not valuable to them.

I would just remind you that you and I would sell whatever we had to help our family when they are need. to say otherwise is untruthful

 

[Best Buckeye]

Well, I think they should be paid in cash, over the table and officially, but that's just me. By any definition, these guys are adults working a job. They are just grossly undercompensated.

Paying the student atheletes won't stop them from being immature enough, or dumb enough to break the rules.
Sorry I have no compassion for these kids. How many times do you figure they were told not to do anything that would give them money from their possesions/actions?

 

[sparcboxbuck]

I've pretty much avoided all media except BP for the last day and a half... for obvious reasons. I had to run into the office this morning (yeah, on Christmas Eve) for something and had e$pin radio on.

I guess one thing that I find interesting about this entire matter is the conversations that it seems to be stirring up. I expect the conversations among us. I expect there to be some people who are ashamed, pissed, angry on one side and others who could give a flying-ef on the other... But the one thing that I expected to read among our opinions that I was absolutely surprised to hear are the discussions of hypocrisy pointed at the NCAA and BCS.

While this entire mess is just that... one whopping big pile of shit... it is somewhat heartening to hear so many people focus the discussion less on tOSU and the specific players and more on the theoretical implications of all that is going on in a much broader context.

The white elephant in the room is finally being talked about with a serious tone. With a little luck the bigger issue will remain the story and will lead to some things being fixed... cuz as of right now, it ain't just broken... it's really broken.

Just my observations for the day.

Merry Christmas to you all... and Happy Holidays to those of you who don't celebrate Christmas.

--sbb

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Terrelle Pryor is a world class athlete in two sports ... you are not. Pryor probably has about 8,000 awards, trophies, medals, recognitions, and various other accolades, so what's one more Big Ten championship ring, more or less? Just another item for the overstuffed trophy case.

I really can't believe you just said that. Are you really equating a Big Ten championship ring, Gold Pants, and a Rose Bowl ring with the high school trophies he has? Seriously?

I have my bib number from the one and only (so far) full Ironman I have done on display at work. The bib numbers and other "memorabilia" from lesser races and events I have done are all sitting in a drawer in a bedside stand at home. If those items in the drawer were to somehow get lost, no biggie, but if something happend to my Ironman bid number, or the finishers medal I got for completeing the race, I'd be more than pissed. I would never sell either of those things, even if for some reason they all of a sudden became worth a lot of money.

There are some things that should never be for sale....

 

[PlanetFrnd]

I find much of the self-righteousness on this and other boards quite tiresome.

This.

 

[utgrad73]

Thought it was cool that Cowherd read my e mail this afternoon on this topic:

Here is it, I posted a few pages ago

So I have been a Buckeye fan since birth, played college athletics and professional athletics for 14 years. There are clearly two sides to the idea of awards and the value of the actual trophy,ring or award.

First, you work very hard for them and they represent something a very significant accomplishment in your life. They represent team work, success and memories of a great season you had.

Second, however, at the end of the day they are not as valuable as family and relationships. If your family is struggling in some way, and you feel the urgency around helping the needs of those you love, you look for ways to help them. The stuff you have pales in comparison to the needs of your loved ones.

Now if anyone reading this won a great award at work, and were honored with a valuable prize for it. And then lets say your wife or kids becomes sick and needs help, there is not a single person reading this that would not sell everything they had or needed to sell to help the ones you loved. You would not leave a 1,000 watch or award on your shelf while your family struggles to make it through a trial.

Now, realize that these kids are 19 years old, their hands are completely tied to making money, working etc. They had a way to help their families and a way to step into the needs of the people they love. It doesn't seem like they knew they were violating a rule by selling this stuff to help their families. If they did, I would imagine they would not have done it,

These awards mean far more to these players than to you and I. Trust me, I love beating Michigan and winning championships as much as the next guy. But these are the guys that put in the blood and sweat and time to win these things. So none of us should start to assume these things are not valuable to them.

I would just remind you that you and I would sell whatever we had to help our family when they are need. to say otherwise is untruthful

I agree with this. What was Colin's reaction? He had a slightly jaded view earlier when the news broke, irrespective of the family rationale hardship presented here. He said something like "Good news (for all others fans)" and then quickly caught himself and said "Bad news for Ohio State fans". Didn't care the tone and non support. I should consider the source.

 

[PlanetFrnd]

Thought it was cool that Cowherd read my e mail this afternoon on this topic:

Here is it, I posted a few pages ago

So I have been a Buckeye fan since birth, played college athletics and professional athletics for 14 years. There are clearly two sides to the idea of awards and the value of the actual trophy,ring or award.

First, you work very hard for them and they represent something a very significant accomplishment in your life. They represent team work, success and memories of a great season you had.

Second, however, at the end of the day they are not as valuable as family and relationships. If your family is struggling in some way, and you feel the urgency around helping the needs of those you love, you look for ways to help them. The stuff you have pales in comparison to the needs of your loved ones.

Now if anyone reading this won a great award at work, and were honored with a valuable prize for it. And then lets say your wife or kids becomes sick and needs help, there is not a single person reading this that would not sell everything they had or needed to sell to help the ones you loved. You would not leave a 1,000 watch or award on your shelf while your family struggles to make it through a trial.

Now, realize that these kids are 19 years old, their hands are completely tied to making money, working etc. They had a way to help their families and a way to step into the needs of the people they love. It doesn't seem like they knew they were violating a rule by selling this stuff to help their families. If they did, I would imagine they would not have done it,

These awards mean far more to these players than to you and I. Trust me, I love beating Michigan and winning championships as much as the next guy. But these are the guys that put in the blood and sweat and time to win these things. So none of us should start to assume these things are not valuable to them.

I would just remind you that you and I would sell whatever we had to help our family when they are need. to say otherwise is untruthful

Good post