Sloopy45
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AKAK: "Speaking of Sabermetrics, I noticed that Joe Jackson is 7th all time in adjusted OPS.... predictably, he is the only player not in the top ten not in the hall of fame (or soon to be, Bonds #3, McGwire t-10th)."
Yeah, Jackson isn't techincally a HOF'er, but he should be and would be if not for his suspension. .356 lifetime AVG, four seasons with 200+ hits, hit .408 in 1911, .395 in 1912, and .382 in 1920. Ruth called him the greatest hitter he ever saw.
"So... How about Rickey... 5 tools?"
No way. Rickey had a poor arm and was awful in the field (mostly because he never hustled). He could make the spectacular play with the best of 'em, but butchered the routine ones. He just never cared about his D: surprisingly, he did win a Gold Glove in 1981, tho'. At the plate, however, its another story:
IMO, the two best offensive players I ever saw are Barry Bonds and Rickey Henderson. Stick Michael (the Yankees Super Scout, and the GM who built the Dynasty) said the 2 best he ever saw were Willie Mays and Henderson.
Henderson and Bonds are the only two guys who could singlehandedly carry an offense to prominence. They disrupted and caused so much distress and havoc for the opposing teams that their mere presence rattled them. If you look at Henderson's prime, his best years (besides the '90 MVP season) were spent with the Yankees. I watched every game in those days and Rickey was good for at least 1 1st Inning run per game. He was absoutely devastating.
Look at what he did against the Blue Jays in the '89 ALCS (I don't know if you remember that Series, he was the MVP. He killed them.). Henderson (in 5 games) scored 8 runs, 6 hits, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 7 BBs, .400 AVG, .609 OBP, 1.000 SLG, and threw in 8 stolen bases to boot. Maybe the best single series playoff performance in baseball history.
Yeah, Jackson isn't techincally a HOF'er, but he should be and would be if not for his suspension. .356 lifetime AVG, four seasons with 200+ hits, hit .408 in 1911, .395 in 1912, and .382 in 1920. Ruth called him the greatest hitter he ever saw.
"So... How about Rickey... 5 tools?"
No way. Rickey had a poor arm and was awful in the field (mostly because he never hustled). He could make the spectacular play with the best of 'em, but butchered the routine ones. He just never cared about his D: surprisingly, he did win a Gold Glove in 1981, tho'. At the plate, however, its another story:
IMO, the two best offensive players I ever saw are Barry Bonds and Rickey Henderson. Stick Michael (the Yankees Super Scout, and the GM who built the Dynasty) said the 2 best he ever saw were Willie Mays and Henderson.
Henderson and Bonds are the only two guys who could singlehandedly carry an offense to prominence. They disrupted and caused so much distress and havoc for the opposing teams that their mere presence rattled them. If you look at Henderson's prime, his best years (besides the '90 MVP season) were spent with the Yankees. I watched every game in those days and Rickey was good for at least 1 1st Inning run per game. He was absoutely devastating.
Look at what he did against the Blue Jays in the '89 ALCS (I don't know if you remember that Series, he was the MVP. He killed them.). Henderson (in 5 games) scored 8 runs, 6 hits, 2 HRs, 5 RBIs, 7 BBs, .400 AVG, .609 OBP, 1.000 SLG, and threw in 8 stolen bases to boot. Maybe the best single series playoff performance in baseball history.
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