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Well, putting my BE/WVU bias to the side, no i dont think the winner should every year....now take this year as an example, wvu has a very good chance on finishing 10-1 with our only loss to #3VT...if thats the case, then i think we deserve to get a crack at a BCS bowl....last year was shit, with a 8-4 pitt team going....theres no need to send a team to the BCS that doenst have at least a 9 win season....now i know our conf. schedule isnt as tough as you guys, and i hate to see a better team with a better schedule get snubbed out of the bcs, but then again you cant punish a conf. that lost good teams like the BE did.....give the BE its 4 years to prove itself, if it still sucks after 2007, then pull our affiliation. but in the mean time, thats what we have to live with, as bad as it may be. Wanstadt from Pitt is getting some very nice recruits ( i dont know how, but he is), so they should be good/better in a year or so...and UL has shown signs of being a pretty decent team....and of course my Mountaineers have alot of promise for the newxt few years with the young talent we have this year...
 
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HoltWVU75 said:
Well, putting my BE/WVU bias to the side, no i dont think the winner should every year....now take this year as an example, wvu has a very good chance on finishing 10-1 with our only loss to #3VT...if thats the case, then i think we deserve to get a crack at a BCS bowl....last year was shit, with a 8-4 pitt team going....theres no need to send a team to the BCS that doenst have at least a 9 win season....now i know our conf. schedule isnt as tough as you guys, and i hate to see a better team with a better schedule get snubbed out of the bcs, but then again you cant punish a conf. that lost good teams like the BE did.....give the BE its 4 years to prove itself, if it still sucks after 2007, then pull our affiliation. but in the mean time, thats what we have to live with, as bad as it may be. Wanstadt from Pitt is getting some very nice recruits ( i dont know how, but he is), so they should be good/better in a year or so...and UL has shown signs of being a pretty decent team....and of course my Mountaineers have alot of promise for the newxt few years with the young talent we have this year...
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You seem to able to discuss this subject sans bias and with complete objectivity. Very few WVU fans I've interacted with can do that.

A 10-1 WVU team should be deserving of a BCS bid. I'll certainly give you that. But the Big East is trying to rebuild and it can with the additions it has picked up.

Louisville was picked by a few to run the table and get pasted by USC in the Rose Bowl. They were projected to be at least 14 point favorites in every game they played this year. They have since proven that they really aren't all that.

Coach Dantonio will make noise with the Bearcats. Most of us here in Buckeye Country can attest to the man's coaching ability. Give him two more years.

Gwaltney should give you guys a solid back for two or three more years in which to build your offense around. Offense hasn't been the problem in Morgantown though.

Good luck with the rest of your season. Who knows? It could be OSU/WVU in a Fiesta or Orange Bowl setting. Unlikely, but possible.
 
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HoltWVU75 said:
I agree to the fact that the BE is pretty bad. But theres really nothing WVU can do about it but go out and win games. I mean come on, we may suck compared to u guys, but the only team we've lost to is VT....take our our 2 turnovers which led to 14 VT pts, its a different game...im not trying to make excuses, becasue we lost, plain and simple....but give WVU a small bit of credit for being 7-1. we are ranked 17th, not 4th. and were winning these games with only 4 senior starters. our youth is really impressing me this year and how they have been able to overcome adversity.

but good luck the rest of the way. I hope ya'll beat the hell out of Michigan coming up...:osu:
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WVU played us tough in Morgantown through two and a half quarters a few years ago and that OSU team was loaded on both sides of the ball. That gave you program some credit in my mind as did a trip on an interstate near Morgantown on a Saturday game day. You gotta love fans that drive through the mountains to support the team.

As others have noted, we're suffering from a case of the ass over the losses to Texas and Penn State and still facing the Big Game while you look at Pitt and see BCS.

I would add the ACC champs to the over rated mix, but they now have three teams that could play with anybody... well, two, I'm still suspicious about Va Tech... pretty much a one horse team if you ask me.

Anyway, nice post by you and enjoy your bowl game. I sure would if I were in your shoes.
 
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No offense to the WVU fan but a 10-1 Big East team deserves a BCS bid as much as a 10-1 MWC, MAC, or WAC team.

You can't discount the W and L record enough given the level of competition in the BE.

PUT WVU or any BE team in the B10 or SEC and they are fighting for simple bowl eligibility.
 
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I'm afraid I appreciate the WVU fan's post but agree that it is a sad day when the Big East champion will take a BCS game away from a deserving team. If you look at the power ratings, it is clear that Louisville and WVU would place about 7-10 in the Big Ten.

Quite frankly, it's a tragedy and it needs to be corrected when that contract comes to an end.
 
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Thump said:
I know a 5th BCS Bowl is getting added next year, is the Big East still included in this new setup?

I would assume so.
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Yes, they are. All leagues have to have an average of 12th or better in the final BCS ratings over a 4-year period to retain their automatic BCS bid. Mike Tranghese managed to get them to count both Miami when they were in the Big East, and Louisville when they weren't in the Big East, as the teams to use for calculating that average, so they should keep the bid for the foreseeable future.

Someone wanted to know how West Va. was ranked so high. Craig James said he was an AP voter and that he had the 'Neers 12th this week.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Will never happen, but they should just axe the conference champion approach entirely.
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If the voters were not too often driven by herd mentality that could be a great idea.
However, we know that the polls are flawed, subject to being skewed by flavor of the season or of the week. Hence you could have a champion of a tougher league than the Big Least ousted under such a scenario, when in fact they are arguably a stronger squad. And, when such a team has played a stronger schedule.

Exhibit A for over-rated could be Lousville last year, or in this year ND. Exhibit B for under-rated in my view could be the champion this year of the Big 10, (or potentially the SEC).
 
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WVU is deserving of a New Year's Day bowl - but not a BCS bowl. There is great parity in the conference, as witnessed by the Bulls demolition of Louisville earlier in the season, but the overall talent level is extremely poor compared to the Big Ten/SEC. Our best shot for a good bowl showing would be to match WVU up with a Big 12 team. Pick any B-12 team you want - except Texas - my money would be on WVU. Just don't put it in the Orange Bowl.
 
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crazybuck...thats a classic example of why pre-season polls mean jack. Pitt was around 21st preseason. We see how well theyve done. and how about michigan and tennessee. both were top 5 preseason, and look where they are now. WVU was picked to finish 4th in the BE this year, look where we stand.
 
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The problem for the Big East is simply stated.

Unlike every other Conference there are no 2 teams now present that can play the role, year in and year out of foils against one another. No 2 teams that can go out and beat down or contend against leading lights of the other major conferences.

For WVU this year that is a sad turn of events. We do not know how good they are, they do not know how good they are. Without a legitimate duo or triumvirate to bolster overall conference strength and credibility they should be at best under-valued all season long. Only a surprising win in Bowl game would improve their perceived status in CFB.
 
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Of all the things that can be brought up showing how horribly weak the BE is I think I have found the winner.

Rutgers currently holds the 2nd best record in the Big East......yeah that Rutgers.

Rutgers is their 2nd best team.

Just sayin.
 
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Let's say for the sake of argument that WVU goes 10-1 and wins the BE, with their lone loss being to #3 VT. Let's also assume that VT goes ahead and wins the ACC (not a done deal by any means). That's the BEST case scenario argument for WVU being in a BCS bowl, and I'll buy it.

Here's why. I'd take a non-BCS team in a BCS bowl who'd done the same thing. A hypothetical Boise State at 10-1 with a much closer loss than reality to Georgia (assuming Georgia were to win the SEC)? Yeah, that's legit. How about an imaginary OU Bobcat team with a postulated close game against VT in Blacksburg as their lone loss? Maybe a 10-1 Fresno State who'd given USC a fight?

All of those cases I can see a non-BCS, one-loss team in the BCS because the loss was a good one, and to a BCS caliber team.

So I'll give WVU the benefit of the doubt on this one. IF they run the table from here, and IF VT proves to be legit, then I think that their BCS bid is earned. Otherwise, the BE automatic bid is still a crock. The conference isn't even as good as last year's C-USA, sadly.
 
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