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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

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Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%

  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%

  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%

  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%

  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%

  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%

  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%

  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%

  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%

  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%

  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%

  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%

  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%

  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%

  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%

  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%

  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%

  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%

  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%

  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%
  • Total voters
    313
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VBSJ;2307813; said:
I thought the SEC has the grant of rights thing the Big Ten, Big 12 and Pac-12 all have? So a school like Vanderbilt or Missouri couldn't jump if they wanted to.

Judging from Mike Krzyzewski's constant comments on rivalries and attack on Maryland, I'm going to assume Duke is getting left out in the cold of any scenario. He won't stop going off on Maryland (or maybe it's actually UNC).
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Re: Interestingly enough, the SEC has neither a Grant of Rights agreement nor an exit penalty.

Per this article: http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2012/dec/07/deeper-look-big-12s-grant-rights-agreement-and-why/

And yeah, I could see Duke getting left out in the cold too.
 
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ScriptOhio;2307826; said:
Re: Interestingly enough, the SEC has neither a Grant of Rights agreement nor an exit penalty.
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Don't know if that's arrogance or stupidity.

People in the Nashville media constantly suggest that the Big Ten have been after Vanderbilt for a decade (with Clay Travis leading the charge). I don't really buy that.
 
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Mike80;2307797; said:
It won't be Duke (NC market will be taken) or Kansas. I'd be ok with it being Texas :evil:

Unless they add UVA/UNC/GA Tech - the only endgame is 18 with Ntre Ame or FSU. 20 just doesn't seem logical given the potential teams out there.
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I don't see the B1G stopping at 18. With 16 or 20 you can use pods. With 18 you'd have to use divisions.
 
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Mike80;2307759; said:
The thing is though, it won't be an odd number. If they add 1, they will end up adding two....and if they add 3, it will end up being 4...
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I agree with you on the odd even point. My point was if they added the most likely schools in UVA and UNC plus a more unlikely school in GT (which has been mentioned), then UNC could schedule themselves out of the colder areas of the B1G in late November wherever the fourth school would be.

I think the next round will only be UVA and UNC. If they want GT, then they should stay in the South and go after Vanderbilt.
 
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ScriptOhio;2307826; said:
And yeah, I could see Duke getting left out in the cold too.
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Duke and Notre Dame could form the Big Two Conference, and then strike a deal with ESPN whereby the conference champ in football gets an automatic bid to the playoffs, and the conference champ in basketball gets an automatic bye to the Final Four.
 
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ScriptOhio;2307826; said:
Re: Interestingly enough, the SEC has neither a Grant of Rights agreement nor an exit penalty.

And yeah, I could see Duke getting left out in the cold too.
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The SEC will most likely sign a GOR when the SEC branded ESPN channel stands up next year. As I've said before I don't think that a GOR makes a conference stable, rather it's something stable conference tend to do. The B1G wasn't any more likely to lose anyone before it signed it's GOR and & don't believe the SEC will be any less likely to lose a member after they sign theirs. The odds of either conference losing members was alwready effectively zero.

Duke may not add any new networks in NC but Duke BB would go a longer way towards penetrating the NY market than anything the B1G currently has. Duke is the BB equivalent of Nebraska, it's a national brand.

Buckeye Maniac;2307849; said:
I don't see the B1G stopping at 18. With 16 or 20 you can use pods. With 18 you'd have to use divisions.
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You can do pods with 18 (or 14 etc) just as easily as with 16 or 20. The pods just aren't all the same size. For example, 18 gives you two pods of 5 & two pods of 4:

E - Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina
N - Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern
C - Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana
W - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas

E/W & C/N are never directly matched up. It's always E/C & W/N or E/N & W/C.

So:
Leaders: Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern, Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina
Legends: Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas

Then switch to:
Leaders: Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas
Legends: Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana, Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina

Rinse, repeat.
 
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Bucknut24;2307881; said:
No way the B1G goes after Vanderbilt, they just don't add anything TV Market wise or football wise
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This isn't about football or basketball. It's about TV sets and CIC membership.

Vandy would add a foothold in SEC country for TV sets and would be an impressive add to the CIC. Vandy is very much a logical possibility, it just may not be a realistic one.
 
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Mike80;2307887; said:
This isn't about football or basketball. It's about TV sets and CIC membership.

Vandy would add a foothold in SEC country for TV sets and would be an impressive add to the CIC. Vandy is very much a logical possibility, it just may not be a realistic one.
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I dont know about CIC, but the first part, that's why they're going after Ga Tech, ATL Market, southern market, it's still SEC country even though not a SEC team
 
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Muck;2307878; said:
The SEC will most likely sign a GOR when the SEC branded ESPN channel stands up next year. As I've said before I don't think that a GOR makes a conference stable, rather it's something stable conference tend to do. The B1G wasn't any more likely to lose anyone before it signed it's GOR and & don't believe the SEC will be any less likely to lose a member after they sign theirs. The odds of either conference losing members was alwready effectively zero.

Duke may not add any new networks in NC but Duke BB would go a longer way towards penetrating the NY market than anything the B1G currently has. Duke is the BB equivalent of Nebraska, it's a national brand.



You can do pods with 18 (or 14 etc) just as easily as with 16 or 20. The pods just aren't all the same size. For example, 18 gives you two pods of 5 & two pods of 4:

E - Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina
N - Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern
C - Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana
W - Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas

E/W & C/N are never directly matched up. It's always E/C & W/N or E/N & W/C.

So:
Leaders: Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern, Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina
Legends: Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas

Then switch to:
Leaders: Ohio State, TSUN, Illinois, Northwestern, Nebraska, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Kansas
Legends: Notre Dame, Sparty, Purdue, Indiana, Penn St, Rutgers, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina

Rinse, repeat.
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Ok, it could certainly work, but it's ungainly. It would take longer to play every team in the conference than a 16 or a 20 team setup.
 
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Bucknut24;2307890; said:
I dont know about CIC, but the first part, that's why they're going after Ga Tech, ATL Market, southern market, it's still SEC country even though not a SEC team
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And if they land Vandy, they land Nashville and points west. Nashville is a bigger TV market than Columbus is right now....

And the CIC is very important to this process. You can't say this school fits and this one doesn't without taking that into account.
 
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Hope everyone realizes the Big Ten would never invite Vanderbilt because it would bring psychotic Ohio State fans back into Herbstreit's life.

It might drive him insane and he might burn down his house again.
 
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Good lord people, landing Vandy is not going bring Nashville let alone any other part of SEC land. Just stop it.

If Vandy is being considered it's because it's an academic coup & because it will help keep regional ties for schools like GT.

Buckeye Maniac;2307896; said:
Ok, it could certainly work, but it's ungainly. It would take longer to play every team in the conference than a 16 or a 20 team setup.
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With a ten game conference schedule almost everyone would face each team in the conference twice in four years. That is also the best you can get with four equally rotating pods. The exception would be for teams on the 'outer' pods who would take five years to see all of the teams in the other 'outer' pod at least once. Those pods also contain the schools that have the least history...so Wisconsin & Iowa would see Maryland & Rutgers a little less often, no one is going to lose any sleep over that. For a comparison look at the next time Nebraska would cycle back onto Ohio State's schedule under the current setup.
 
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