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Bitching about the 2004 Season

AKAKBUCK said:
So... if you get rid of Bollman... You need an O-Line Coach and an O coordinator. What do you think he does?

I think Bollman and Daniels get Canned.

Petersen moves to O-line Coach/Running Game Coordinator

Tressel Hires a new Qb Coach/Passing Game Coordinator

Hires a new Recruting Coordinator after signing day.

Tress is the OC for a year and sees if his new QB's Coach guy works out. (I think the last move is a mistake, but I think its as close as we're going to get.)
I think your scenario is very realistic. Joe Daniels may well get a pass:wink2: this year, though. Interesting you bring the running game vs. passing game coordinator up. I heard Tressel mention this in one of the post games but hadn't heard it here yet. I also wonder if this delineation hurts OSU's developmental progress on the 'tweener' plays like screens and reverses. Also, it may hinder the synergy of a game plan in general.
 
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It is quite obvious that the zone blocking is something that we are really struggling with, but it is not a bad scheme. From what I understand there are many teams using it very successfully including the Denver Broncos and Wisconsin Badgers
 
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It is quite obvious that the zone blocking is something that we are really struggling with, but it is not a bad scheme. From what I understand there are many teams using it very successfully including the Denver Broncos and Wisconsin Badgers

"Zone Blocking" is just a buzzword to place blame... done properly it can be very effective.
 
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Luncheon Comments

Haven't seen this on the boards yet, so here you go... http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101904aad.html

Totally filled with Tressel-speak... not much that I saw off the bat, aside from stating that Troy would start today if needed, and TB is the back up as of today, but he wouldn't lock into anything.

One thought, I know there are a ton of us not wanting TB to play because of burning a redshirt.. but why not...

Two possiblities, 1) he is better than JZ and/or TS and then should play over them (Not likely given experiance) or 2) he fills in in a pinch this year and still has 2 more behind JZ or TS... why not use the red shirt one of those years then?

That all said, he isn't going to suddenly make this team suddenly be ready to win out, unless he can block 4 d-linemen as well as throw the ball.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
When one RB is 230 with sub 4.5 speed, hits the open hole when there is one and quickly bounces outside when there is no hole, and can bowl over LBs, you can expect him to be much better than a RB who is 210, can't find a hole with a search dog, and gets tackled by tall grass blades. Hall fared no better in 2002, nor did Roshawn Parker (Clarett, Ross, Hall, and Parker are the only four tailbacks with carries that year, IIRC). Since the other three RBs could not even approach the achievements of Clarett, that would lead me to believe that Clarett's accomplishments were a result of Clarett, and not the OL.



agree Moc did make our line look better than they were.
 
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DCBuckFan said:
Haven't seen this on the boards yet, so here you go... http://ohiostatebuckeyes.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/101904aad.html

Totally filled with Tressel-speak... not much that I saw off the bat, aside from stating that Troy would start today if needed, and TB is the back up as of today, but he wouldn't lock into anything.

One thought, I know there are a ton of us not wanting TB to play because of burning a redshirt.. but why not...

Two possiblities, 1) he is better than JZ and/or TS and then should play over them (Not likely given experiance) or 2) he fills in in a pinch this year and still has 2 more behind JZ or TS... why not use the red shirt one of those years then?

That all said, he isn't going to suddenly make this team suddenly be ready to win out, unless he can block 4 d-linemen as well as throw the ball.




I don't recall much on this board about Boeckman playing in front of TS but if it was posted :slappy: its got to be true :slappy: the backups backup is always the solution.

wow miss read my fault dcbuckfan
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
I posted something on another thread to the effect that I'm not totally sure that JT had his whole staff... in the best case scenario... that he wanted from the beginning... due ti the time constraints of getting the 'right people.' Anyway, someone responded.. not really contradicting, but pointeing out that Tressel went out and got 'his guys' that he felt comfortable with from YSU... Well that sort of reinforces the point, that when you don't have the time to do an exhaustive search (Tons of interviews, etc), you kind of go with guys that are known commodities... The interesting Bridge we need to cross is the transistion from replacing staff that got better jobs, to replacing staff that might not be performing at the level they need to be.

Also, as things move to the future... you have to realize that you can't always get YSU guys... and remember, the "Tressel Guys" haven't always been Tressel Guys... they were just "Guys" at some point. And You take guys like Dantonio and Snyder (almost DC at S. Carolina) and Mangino... and even Bollman... you see that Tress is used to getting guys promoted to other jobs... so he's an excellent developer of other coaching talent.

Anyway... I think Tressel has been setting things up since last year to change around his offensive staff from last year with the addition of Petersen and Hazell... (Where, by the way, is the heat on Joe Daniels?) You don't just go get another guy who was the O-Line Coach and Running Game Coordinator at a successful D-I school... and steal him form Mark Stoops in the Process and not plan to use the guy... Hazell has a heck of a diverse resume as well.

On top of all that... There is no inside Power Running Game. You know this has to be killing Tressel. There really hasn't been one with Bollman yet... (Even With 13, the kid made his own way, more or less). Considering Tressel has been published on the subject of the inside power game... he might not be very happy with the direction of his 'offense'. To be honest, I think Tressel will pull the Trigger on Bollman... Going down with the ship won't help his loyalty to the rest of the staff.

So... if you get rid of Bollman... You need an O-Line Coach and an O coordinator. What do you think he does?

I think Bollman and Daniels get Canned.

Petersen moves to O-line Coach/Running Game Coordinator

Tressel Hires a new Qb Coach/Passing Game Coordinator

Hires a new Recruting Coordinator after signing day.

Tress is the OC for a year and sees if his new QB's Coach guy works out. (I think the last move is a mistake, but I think its as close as we're going to get.)
Posts like this should be a reference point for newbies. What? An opinion based on something... a novel idea.
 
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Never said I thought he should get the chance, more of a reasoning around the negativity associated with 'burning the redshirt'

Barring someone pissing in the o-line's wheaties every day for the rest of the season, hence giving them a major mean streak, no QB is going to help.
 
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Mandel discusses OSU problems

Nothing that none of us haven't heard before, but I just thought I'd put it out here...

As a nonpartisan observer, I'm not supposed to get a kick out of a particular team's demise. But after two years of being deluged by e-mails from the Ohio State zealots who believed Jim Tressel could walk on water, I can't help but be amused that those same people have suddenly shifted to the other end of the spectrum.
Tressel recently said, "You stop the bleeding by getting better. By going out and winning a game." Excuse me for quoting, but when I look at the last few games it seems to me the Buckeyes are getting worse and worse. It's as if they're wanting to lose! I'm a Buckeyes fan to the end, but what is going on?
--Chris, Marion, Ohio

What do you consider to be Ohio State's main problem? Losing too many players (14) to the NFL Draft last year? A poor, inexperienced QB? A nonexistent rushing game? Defensive deficiencies? Or, as I am beginning to fear, Tressel's inability to recruit the talent his predecessor, John Cooper, was able to?
-- Scott Gabbert, Bolingbrook, Ill.

Please help me out with something. Maybe I don't understand Tressel's approach to football because I am a woman. However, I am getting frustrated watching Lydell Ross try to run the ball only to see him get stopped almost immediately most of the time. It appears that Tressel is favoring the seniors, but is he going to run this season into the ground before he gets his head (and loyalty) out of his backside? The Buckeyes need some changes quick, or we will revisit the 2-10-1 stretch we had under Cooper!
-- Cyndi Vice, San Antonio, Texas

Ah, where to begin. First of all, the Buckeyes' biggest problem, as it has been for two years, is that they can't run the football. A Big Ten team that can't run the ball is dead in the water, unless, as was the case last season, its defense and special teams are so dominant they keep it in the game. Like Cyndi, I, too, used to think the problem was Tressel's insistence on sticking with Ross. But what's becoming increasingly clear is that no one short of Eddie George could gain positive yardage behind the Buckeyes' sorry offensive line. Iowa's defensive front absolutely manhandled it. Ohio State hasn't protected the quarterback well, either. The offensive line is a huge problem, and I'm not sure there's an easy fix.

As for Scott's concern about recruiting, I think Tressel is doing just fine in that area. He had a couple of phenomenal classes in 2002 and '03. Justin Zwick, Donte Whitner, Ted Ginn Jr. , E.J. Underwood -- these are guys any school in the country would have liked to get. However, I think OSU may have been counting on some of the younger guys a little too much, too soon. There's no understating this -- the Buckeyes had 14 players drafted last spring. You don't replace that overnight. This is proving particularly true on defense, where OSU simply isn't the same dominating team it was the past two seasons. No one has yet emerged as the next Will Smith, Darrion Scott, Chris Gamble or Will Allen. They're not getting any pressure up front, so opposing quarterbacks have time to sit back and pick their spots.

The good news is, they have consecutive winnable home games coming up (vs. Indiana and Penn State) to try to get things in order. No doubt it's going to be strange to see the Buckeyes playing in San Antonio or El Paso, Texas, this winter, but I wouldn't go jumping off the Tressel bandwagon just yet. Unless, as Chris suggested, they're "wanting to lose."
 
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