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Boston Celtics (17x NBA champions)

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OSUBasketballJunkie;894239; said:
I am a little confused by your logic since the Celtics are not exactly rivals of the Cavs and play in a different division. I have the right to follow who I want, its ridiculous to call me out for liking Boston. I like the Cavs and Celtics....get over it.
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Most people that grew up a fan of an Eastern Conference team other than the Celtics hate the Celtics - much like they hate the Bulls and Pistons. I find it odd that a sports fan could simultaneously cheer for two teams in the same conference. To each his own I guess. But if the Cavs are playing the Celtics, who are you cheering for? (That's the important question)

If your answer is the Celtics, then maybe you should trade in the Cavs symbol for a weak leprachaun.


Actually his name is spelled Herschel Walker and I think KG is still in his prime unlike Walker who was winding down.....besides, Dallas was given 6 draft picks and 5 players at the time. Boston gave up what is essentially 1 first round pick and several players who will not make an impact except for Al Jefferson in my opinion.
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Thank you spelling police. Actually, its very similar to the HerSchel Walker trade. Basketball rosters are, as you might have heard, substantially smaller in numbers than NFL rosters. The NBA draft, as you may have heard, has 5 less rounds. So it's not simply a matter of numbers. Giving up Al Jefferson, and a couple of below-average, but young and talented, role players is going to significantly impact an NBA team's depth. How do you supplant that? Signing D-League players?

And ask the Knicks what it feels like to give first round picks in the NBA. Unless you're the Suns, you really can't afford to give up an annual influx of first-round talent. For further reference, ask the Cavs how much it hurt not having a first rounder this year.


You just described the Cavs in my opinion...You need to just look at the Cavs this past year....Lebron led pretty much a so so club into the finals.....it is a possibility that Boston can get it done also. To rule it out completely right now is a little early in my book.
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Lebron is significantly better right now than Garnett. Pierce and Allen don't even deserve to be in the conversation. (although it is amazing how those two have risen so far in the public eye just by adding KG). None of the players on the Celtics have even close to the ability to impact a game the same way Lebron does. Could KG have scored the last 25 points against the Pistons in the Palace? Not a chance.

Another thing the commentators are conveniently ignoring is chemistry. This Celtics team is now built around three players who have put up good-looking numbers on mediocre teams. (Again, no playoffs for either in 2 years.) And now, all of a sudden, you take those three players who failed as alpha-dogs for their own teams, put them together, and they are going to gel well enough to make a run? I don't just doubt it. I guarantee that team can't make a run. It's certainly just my opinion, but unless you have one very capable alpha dog, you need to have chemistry built around solid point guard play and defense. That's how the Pistons were able to succeed.

So I guess what you're saying is that the Celtics will be able to become a team, rather than just three individuals, and I'm saying they can't. I don't care how bad you think the Eastern Conference is... unless you have Lebron or Dwayne Wade, you need to be a team to make the Finals. And let's face, no one on that Celtics team is Lebron or Dwayne Wade.
 
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If your answer is the Celtics, then maybe you should trade in the Cavs symbol for a weak leprachaun.
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Easy there Sparky!!!! There's a lot of history behind that symbol. When the Cavs have those kind of accomplishments, over time, you'll understand why the "weak" comment is offensive to some.
 
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coastalbuck;894495; said:
Easy there Sparky!!!! There's a lot of history behind that symbol. When the Cavs have those kind of accomplishments, over time, you'll understand why the "weak" comment is offensive to some.
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I'm not really sure why it would be more offensive than some of what we say about scUM.

There's a team in every sport that I have disdain for. In football, it's the Steelers. In baseball, it's the Yankees. In hockey, it's the Red Wings. And in basketball, it's the Celtics. And it would be a perfect world if all of the teams would finish in last place. Fortunately, for the past 21 years, the Celtics have become increasingly irrelevant. I'm hopeful, and extremely confident, that the futility will continue for a long time thanks to Danny Ainge.
 
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Lebron is significantly better right now than Garnett. Pierce and Allen don't even deserve to be in the conversation. (although it is amazing how those two have risen so far in the public eye just by adding KG). None of the players on the Celtics have even close to the ability to impact a game the same way Lebron does. Could KG have scored the last 25 points against the Pistons in the Palace? Not a chance.
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Its hard to agree with you when your opinion of Garnett is so low.....most basketball fans and most media consider Garnett a top 5 player but by your comments you make it seem Garnett is just a serviceable player. Pierce and Allen have played most of their careers by themselves and their is a difference when three past All-Stars combine on one team. I am not saying they are in the finals next year as I have stated earlier in this thread but I think they are much improved and it is realistic to expect them in the playoffs. Stop with all the Boston hate. Lets remember I was comparing the Cavs and Celtics, not Garnett and Lebron....if you want to have a discussion at least get the points correct.

If your answer is the Celtics, then maybe you should trade in the Cavs symbol for a weak leprachaun.
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Once again, you cannot seem to understand the fact I like two teams....get over it.

Thank you spelling police. Actually, its very similar to the HerSchel Walker trade. Basketball rosters are, as you might have heard, substantially smaller in numbers than NFL rosters. The NBA draft, as you may have heard, has 5 less rounds. So it's not simply a matter of numbers. Giving up Al Jefferson, and a couple of below-average, but young and talented, role players is going to significantly impact an NBA team's depth. How do you supplant that? Signing D-League players?
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I think this comment is a vague attempt to insult my intelligence. I understand basketball and football rosters, drafts and anything else you want to address.....Your opinion that this trade is similar to the Walker trade is laughable in my opinion. Lets just remember that the players Boston gave up weren't exactly wanted players, with the exception of Jefferson and the jury is still out on him, so before you equate this trade to anything, lets see how it plays out down the road, it took Dallas 2-3 years to benefit from those draft picks and remember you are assuming that McHale will make good selections with those first round picks...:wink2:

I will end this by saying that regardless of how you view Garnett, Pierce and Allen.....barring injuries they will be a contender in the east, not only because they are talented but partly due to the east being so weak.
 
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I'm not sure it's fair to say Ryan Gomes was unwanted....in fact, he would have been a perfect compliment player for these guys.....at any rate Boston sure gave up a lot and has pretty much mortgaged their future for about a 2 year window
 
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I'm not sure it's fair to say Ryan Gomes was unwanted....in fact, he would have been a perfect compliment player for these guys.....at any rate Boston sure gave up a lot and has pretty much mortgaged their future for about a 2 year window
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That is a good point, I forgot about Gomes......but I do not feel like Boston mortgaged their future because they didn't have one in my opinion.
 
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If they kept the number five pick, they would have still had a future.

That fifth pick, plus all those players they gave up would have given Boston somewhat of a future. It wouldn't have been a great future, but they had the potential to build a team somewhat like Chicago is now.
 
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If they kept the number five pick, they would have still had a future.

That fifth pick, plus all those players they gave up would have given Boston somewhat of a future. It wouldn't have been a great future, but they had the potential to build a team somewhat like Chicago is now.
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Honestly, do you really believe that? Boston was in the 15th year of a 3 year rebuilding plan.....:biggrin:
 
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Good drafts and smart free agent signings over the next two years definitely could have put them in the playoff picture.

If they were smart, they could easily be as good as Chicago is now four years from now. Instead, they'll be fifth best in the conference for two years before they're back at where they started.
 
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Good drafts and smart free agent signings over the next two years definitely could have put them in the playoff picture.

If they were smart, they could easily be as good as Chicago is now four years from now. Instead, they'll be fifth best in the conference for two years before they're back at where they started.
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Again, I go back to "if they were smart".....they haven't been. Is this move a risk....sure it is but it has been years of bad moves, drafts and coaches....why not take the chance now......I like the move, it gets them back in the picture...

Lottery picks by Boston.....

1994 Eric Montross
1996 Antoine Walker
1997 Ron Mercer
1998 Paul Pierce
2000 Jerome Moiso
2001 Joe Johnson
2001 Kedrick Brown
2006 Randy Foye
2007 Traded for Ray Allen

1st round selections....

1995 Eric Williams
1999 No selection
2001 Joseph Forte
2002 No selection
2003 Troy Bell (traded for Marcus Banks)
2003 Dahntay Jones (traded for Kendrick Perkins)
2004 Delonte West
2004 Tony Allen
2005 Gerald Green

It is easy to see why they are consistently mediocre at best...
 
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