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Buckeye Offensive Coordinator Discussion (merged)

Well, the jist of the article states that Troy Smith (and Justin, for that matter) aren't developing like we thought they would even though both were elite 11 QB's. Does this mean that Joe Daniels isn't developing the talent that he has? Bollman's play calling and the offense in general have been under fire for the last 3+ years despite having the talent to be a pretty good offensive team (especially this year).

I wouldn't have expected the staff to be holding back during the Texas game, but that may be the case. Holding back and getting ready for conference play.

Just because a QB doesn't develop into a world beater you can't blame the coaches. Think about it, it happens in the NFL all the time to, you take a guy at a spot or recruit a guy in college thinking that they have all the tools. But for some reason of another they just dont get it.
 
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Ohio State lined up in the shotgun 48 times with Troy Smith in at quarterback. On those plays, we were able to correctly guess whether Ohio State was going to run or pass the ball 44 out of those 48 plays simply by where the halfback was lined up in relation to the quarterback. Ifwe I were able to do this from watching television, there is little doubt opposing coaches are going to notice the same thing. This is something that needs to be addressed and either changed or taken advantage of later by the coaching staff (or at least noticed).

Couldnt agree more. My friend and I were calling it perfectly during the game....way too predictable.
 
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't a large part of our offense's awakening late last year based on a change in O-line philosophy from primarily zone blocking to a more assignment-based system?

It seems to me that against SDSU, it was all zone, and it was mostly crap. As individuals, our linemen were doing great, but as a unit... there were miscues. Again, please chime in if I'm not seeing/recalling correctly. We've got some big, nasty linemen. Let's turn 'em loose and revel in the destruction. Try it against Iowa... they're breaking in new DL, anyway. If it works, run with it (and I do mean RUN).

Thoughts?


Edit.... just saw this thread on zone blocking. Maybe I'm just on crack. :)
 
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Just because a QB doesn't develop into a world beater you can't blame the coaches. Think about it, it happens in the NFL all the time to, you take a guy at a spot or recruit a guy in college thinking that they have all the tools. But for some reason of another they just dont get it.

True, but we have had some really talented QB's come through tOSU. When was the last time one really excelled? Other teams make great QB's from nothing...why can't we take elite 11 QB's to the next level? I can't help but think coaching has a lot to do with it.
 
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If I had writing talent and the time to rewatch the game/break down the film. Then had time to write this article. What I would have written would be something similar. :)

After watching the Tenn-Florida game last Sat. I felt like we had a hillbilly offense.
 
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If I had writing talent and the time to rewatch the game/break down the film. Then had time to write this article. What I would have written would be something similar. :)

After watching the Tenn-Florida game last Sat. I felt like we had a hillbilly offense.

Pardon me if I'm missing the sarcasm, but didn't Florida settle for three field goals, average 1.8 yards per rush and 5.8 per pass attempt?

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/boxscore?gameId=200509170067

Both teams netted under 70 yards rushing and under 200 passing. Tennessee's third down efficiency was a San Diego State-like 23%, and completed under 50% of their passes.

Seriously, if you mean that you'd prefer one of those offenses...wow.

On the other hand, both Florida and UT can play some D. That's what's going to keep them in things this year. Truthfully, I was watching that game and wondering about Clausen, Ainge and Leak "what's all the hype about?" I mean, Leak took FIVE sacks.

He did go 17-26, but even then -- that's hardly some Texas Tech-like 50-60 attempts per game.

I'll also credit the two offenses for combining for one turnover (UT fumble). That's about it, though.

Now, the USC game had me jealous of an offense, I'll grant you that. So did Louisville-Oregon State, but UT-Florida??? Come on.
 
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I saw some great driving blocking from both teams and they were both aggressively attacking the defense.
Forget about the game and results.

When they lined up on offense they may or may not have executed but the plays seemed better designed to me at least even if they weren't always effective.
I don't know what it was that I liked, maybe it's some of the same plays I call in Madden :)
 
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I think the defensive talent UF was facing was a tad better than SDSU.

I don't think you can blame all of our offensive struggles on play calling. However, the article's author mentioned that he did not see us running certain plays out of a particular formation in order to set up the defense for something later. There does not seem to be a comprehensive plan to exploit defensive tendencies or adjustments. Our offense seems to throw mud up on the wall and see what sticks.
 
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Can't remember whether it came from a coach or player, but one of our opponents pointed out the same thing last season. That it was easy to prepare for OSU because you knew what they were going to do. That was true under Woody too. But that was pre-parity and Woody had the horses to say "here it comes - stop me" and they couldn't do it.

I even remember reading comments in the past year or two from opponents pointing out that OSU tipped its hand on many plays.

This all seems quite remarkable to me on a team run by a guy like JT who prides himself on attention to detail.
 
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I enjoy reading this writer/coach's post-game analyses, particularly his statistical breakdowns. But his analysis of the mediocre offenses we've seen since Bollman arrived are a little too obvious. I was hoping he had found some magic bullet cure-all.

But that's exactly the problem, isn't it? The cause of the mediocrity is painfully obvious, yet nothing is ever done about it. Year in, year out, the talent comes and goes, the defense and special teams nearly always excel, yet the offense consistently underperforms. We win games despite the offense, not because of it. It's as if when they say, "Exceptional defense, great special teams and an offense that doesn't make mistakes" what they really mean is, "A great, high-scoring offense would be really scary. Let's stick with mediocrity."

Although he's the head coach and supposedly calls the offensive plays, I don't blame JT for the poor coaching. He's obviously a terrific football coach and, I think, an even better person. But what I do blame him for is poor organizational decision-making. He is simply too loyal to his demonstrably weak offensive brain trust -- Bollman and Daniels. Loyalty is a very admirable trait. But so is the ability to make hard decisions.

In a corporation, the CEO has to make tough decisions that occasionally hurt people's feelings. But he makes them for the good of the organization and to keep his bosses (the Board and the shareholders) happy. If he can't or won't, he doesn't hold his job very long. Excessive loyalty to weak subordinates can ironically prove to be disloyal to your own best interests. I hate to think that might ever be the case where JT is concerned.

IMHO, now that JT has put tOSU squarely back among the elite five or six national programs, he has outgrown the need to rely on relatively weak assistants. He should move 'onward and upward' by recruiting a top-tier offensive staff that can take the team to an even hgiher level. Assistants who can gameplan creatively and who will inspire confidence and passion among the offensive players, instead of confusion and self-doubt.

Have you noticed how often tOSU defensive coordinators get courted and hired away by other programs? Now try to imagine Bollman or Daniel's name coming up in a big time coaching search. Not easy is it? Unfortunately they are here to stay, unless and until JT decides otherwise. For his own good and the good of the program, I hope he makes that tough decision. In the long run it will be best for everybody -- even for Jim and Joe.
 
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Ohio State lined up in the shotgun 48 times with Troy Smith in at quarterback. On those plays, we were able to correctly guess whether Ohio State was going to run or pass the ball 44 out of those 48 plays simply by where the halfback was lined up in relation to the quarterback. Ifwe I were able to do this from watching television, there is little doubt opposing coaches are going to notice the same thing.
Maybe it is part of elaborate plan by Tressel to bait our opponents defense. When Tressel decides we need more offense we will throw the ball when the halfback lines up behind the quarterback and run it when he is even.
 
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Coaching in the San Diego State game was obviously not a problem...we won the game. San Diego State almost beat scUM last year, and almost beat us in 2003...and they didn't even come close to beating us this week. Do you not think they've been focusing on this game all summer, all year? For a team like them, this was their season. They made a big play, and then we took complete control of the game. Tressel loves control...he had control of the game from halfway in the 1st quarter on...never lost it. Why get creative? Why put 50 points on the board? We didn't need to. Run some plays, try some things, keep control of the game, and win. We did the same thing against Miami. We even got up by enough that we put in 2nd and 3rd string. Honestly, that should NOT happen against a team like Miami. Miami hasn't been blown out like that in awhile. Even when they played scUM last year they didn't get dominated like that...even though the score looked it.

If you let San Diego State be the basis of how you think the season is going to go, then I guess we should have lost about 6 games in 2003 and scUM probalby should have done the same last year.

The truth is...we were flat last week and weren't prepared for the game. Doesn't surprise me considering the game was against a nobody and was between Texas and Iowa. I think that is about as bad as this team can play...and the outcome still was never in doubt.

And sure...we lost the Texas game...Texas, a team that is the only team that has a defense as good as ours in the country, and a team that has the best QB in the country that doesn't play for USC. So...if losing to a team like Texas is enough to start pressing the panic button...then I guess press it. For me...it's not.

Bottom line. Since Tressel came to Columbus he's shown us three things:

He knows how to beat scUM. (3-1)

He knows how to win bowl games. (3-1)

He knows how to win other big games. (5-2 vs. top 10) (11-4 vs. top 25) (1-0 in National Champinoship Games)

Now, seeing posts like i've seen this week I expected and was even a part of when we were 3-3 last year. But right now? Because the offense isn't scoring enough points to win by more than 20? Sure there is a lot of talent that isn't playing to it's potential right now on the offensive side of the ball. Let's see how the year progresses before we start getting upset though. I'll gladly take a 2-0 win over Iowa this week. Would you rather have a 38-35 loss, but the offense plays well? Ws and Ls are all that matter, and that's where Tressel has gotten it done. Granted not against Texas this year, but the man isn't God...he can't win them all.
 
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