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OmahaBeef;749262; said:
Golferdow01;749303; said:
Selfishly, I'm with you guys. Realistically, I'm with Bill Walton. Matta's system uses Greg to make the other players better. Unfortunately, the other players on this team aren't doing anything to make Greg any better. He's better off developing at the next level, and when it really comes down to it, I want whats best for Greg.
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Golferdow01
East-Coast Living
heisman;751910; said:
I'm going to have to disagree with you here. I don't feel Matta's system "uses" Greg and I think the other players are making him better. Using the 4 guys outside, 1 inside, that gives Oden all the more room to work his magic inside and not share it with other big men. Also, we normally have 2-3 guys on the floor with slashing/quick dishing abilities and can feed Oden the ball while drawing his defenders away. I think his time spent here is quite beneficial to his development.
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How many times did Oden touch the ball in the second half last night? He should be touching it on every possession. When you have someone on your team of his caliber, you work the ball inside out. All I saw them do last night was work it around the perimeter and then Lewis or Butler would chuck up an ugly 3.
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Golferdow01
East-Coast Living
heisman;752497; said:
You are using one game as your example, cherrypicking if you will. Remember that teams like Penn State play a zone defense that is designed to not allow an entry pass to Oden. They executed this very will and our guys do need to work harder on their dribble penetration so they can get Oden more touches. To suggest, however, that Oden is on a team that is not designed to utilize his abilities is foolish. The four men on the perimeter, one man in the middle style offense is the the best way to utilize a dominant center I know of. Sure Oden could be scoring more, but he is averaging the same number of points a game our senior center did last year who was no slouch in his own right.
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I just haven't seen a lot of offensive cohesion since Oden joined the team.
Not a fan of the high screens they have him setting out by the 3 point line either. If he were to pick and roll, that would be different.
Not a fan of the high screens they have him setting out by the 3 point line either. If he were to pick and roll, that would be different.
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Thump;752568; said:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Gregs picks should be coming inside the 3 point line though. He's not going to drive the lane to score. He needs to be within 15 feet when he gets the ball to be effective until the brace comes off.
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jimotis4heisman
Banned
interestingly enough oden really really needs to be developed. he doesnt play with his feet very well. the kid needs more time with a jump rope than anything else at this point. maybe this is an issue that he cant do it, then peters and titus need to step in with their roles and swing a rope for greg...
also weve had mention how oden is "predictable" with his moves, to me thats him taking what hes given. hes being channeled or forced one way with help of a double/triple team to that side. we saw it pretty much except for the trip down the floor against minnesota where he pivoted the wrong way and powered it upfor a highlight reel in your face shaqish dunk...
at this point the two real issues are postioning and playing with his feet.
and keeping him out of the pool on game days when hes supposed to be "relaxing"
also weve had mention how oden is "predictable" with his moves, to me thats him taking what hes given. hes being channeled or forced one way with help of a double/triple team to that side. we saw it pretty much except for the trip down the floor against minnesota where he pivoted the wrong way and powered it upfor a highlight reel in your face shaqish dunk...
at this point the two real issues are postioning and playing with his feet.
and keeping him out of the pool on game days when hes supposed to be "relaxing"
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crazybuckfan40
Head Coach
jimotis4heisman;756572; said:
I agree, he seems to have a nice little package of moves, and understands where a guy is on him and which way the move is...
Once he starts to develop a feel for the double team and his ability to pass out of it, and his footwork some more, he will be deadly...
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COMMENTARY
Oden ought not to be an outcast in OSU?s offense
Thursday, February 22, 2007
TODD JONES
Maybe Greg Oden should grow his beard again and his Ohio State teammates might recognize him. Here?s a hint for the Buckeyes: He?s 7 feet tall, 280 pounds, has a vertical reach of 111 inches and an 86-inch wingspan. Just look for the clouds ? and throw the basketball in that direction.
Someone please explain how Ohio State?s offense can treat a player who?ll likely be the No. 1 draft pick in the NBA ? probably this spring ? as if he?s the biggest decoy since the Trojan Horse.
OK, the Buckeyes came back last night and beat dreadful Penn State 68-60, but only after trailing by three at halftime to a team that has lost 12 straight games.
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COMMENTARY
Oden ought not to be an outcast in OSU?s offense
Thursday, February 22, 2007
TODD JONES
Maybe Greg Oden should grow his beard again and his Ohio State teammates might recognize him. Here?s a hint for the Buckeyes: He?s 7 feet tall, 280 pounds, has a vertical reach of 111 inches and an 86-inch wingspan. Just look for the clouds ? and throw the basketball in that direction.
Someone please explain how Ohio State?s offense can treat a player who?ll likely be the No. 1 draft pick in the NBA ? probably this spring ? as if he?s the biggest decoy since the Trojan Horse.
OK, the Buckeyes came back last night and beat dreadful Penn State 68-60, but only after trailing by three at halftime to a team that has lost 12 straight games.
Cont'd...
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BuckeyeRob
Yeah, whatever...
osugrad21;759580; said:
I love Greg Oden as defensive player. He is as good as it gets. He needs a lot of work on the offensive end though and that will come.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
I hope on Sunday they feed the ball to Oden early and often, make them double down and let him create fouls or dunks......it amazes me sometimes how they guards seem to forget to look inside.
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hoopsfan
Senior
BuckeyeRob;759630; said:
I agree he needs work on offense, but I would not agree with "alot" of work. He is playing without his dominant hand essentially and averaging 15+ppg. He can't even use what used to be his go-to moves through high school --- quick spin moves to the baseline for either a finger roll or a one-hand flush. Also not able to hit his jump shot which he had developed to 10-12 feet consistently -- he even hit a jump shot his senior year that was just inside the three line. We have seen, im my estimation, about 50-60% of what he can do offensively as he has the wrap on his hand. Fully healthy he averages 20 easily and gets a couple more boards a game as well.
As for the newspaper article on not looking for him enough, absolutely correct. Things have improved but there is still too much jealousy on th team to make a long NCAA run in my opinion.
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Two plays made me laugh on Wednesday from Greg.
The one dunk he came from underneath on that almost tore the entire goal down, and the blocked shot that landed about 10 feet past the 3 point arc! Its too easy to forget how young he is at time, and the look of disbelief on the opponents faces!:tongue2:
The one dunk he came from underneath on that almost tore the entire goal down, and the blocked shot that landed about 10 feet past the 3 point arc! Its too easy to forget how young he is at time, and the look of disbelief on the opponents faces!:tongue2:
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