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Can we fire this woman already?

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osustamm said:
I am sorry if i offended anyone on here. I was stating my honest opinion about Ohio State the school... I know from my experience my last few years that OSU dosn't care much about undergrad students compaired to how much "research" they do... I wasn't told this when i came to visit. I am pretty pissed off about all of the talk about raising standards of students. I think before that is done we need to raise the standards for profs. I don't care what type of research is being done if i can't understand my DifEQ professor or TA. The smartest guy in the world in some area can be the worst teacher of it.
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Perhaps you are not up to hearing more critiscism, perhaps you are not willing to take and weigh the advice and perspective others offer. Regardless, let me offer you this insight.

You do not go to college or University to learn from a Professor. I know this may come as a shocking realization, it is however quite true. The golden prize in your College career is to learn how to learn - reach that goal and everything else comes easily.

A Professor can facilitate the growth of your knowledge, point you in the direction of analogies that underscore your subject matter or perhaps assist in improving your level of understanding of a core concept. All this is most often done against a back-drop of an iteration in the form of lectures of the key points found in one or more text-books -- most likely reflecting the material you are expected to read, learn and inwardly digest.

Too often students expect college to be like high school (where the onus is more on the teacher to make sure your grades are up to snuff, and that you are ready to pass the exams). All too rarely is the true nature of going to College explained to incoming students, it is truly a sink or swim environment, you are expected to do the work, you are expected to do the learning. The first step toward which is learning TO learn. That is an talent most High School students have inadequately honed prior to entering College. And yes, the College environment (anywhere) is replete with Professors who know their subject back to front but have the skills of a donkey braying in Esperanto when it comes to communicating ideas. Such "lack of communication" by say your Differential Equation teacher does not mean you have been failed. All the answers you need are in the text books. The only key needed to unlock those answers is learning the tricking of how to learn - period. Once that trick is learned it is an easier matter to understand the books, and oh yes, those hard to translate teachers.

But make no mistake, it is your responsibility in a College envionment to learn how to learn -- not that of the Differential Equation X01 Professor. Sure - he is focussed on research as well as fulfilling his teaching responsibilities. Likewise, you should be focussed on one thing only, learning to learn. The rest follows.

The greatest shame of this -- by the language of your posts -- is that this simple concept was not clearly explained to you while you were a Freshman.
 
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Outstanding post.


I'll add to it by saying that, depending on what field you go into (mine is science), the opportunity to do research in a lab as an undergrad at a large research institution is one of if not the most valuable experience you can have, because it is "on-the-job" training, if you will, while you are still a student. I learned more by doing 18 months of research as an undergrad than I did from 4 years of classes, and it helped my thrive and survive in grad school and now in my current position. For all the problems, large research institutions offer a prime and valuable true learning experience that all you have to do is show some initiative and take advantage of, and you're that much further ahead than the next person from a smaller liberal arts-oriented school that didn't have that chance. If you're into science, math, or what have you, you can start learning how to be successful from some of the world's best...thus saying we need to "raise the standards of the profs" is a bad joke.

Every place has problems and opportunities....taking advantage of the opportunities helps one overcome the problems.
 
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yes... it's true... and it sucks... if i need to teach myself, and 'learn how learn' then why do i need college in the first place? i mean that... i taught myself how to take the engine of my car apart, and fix it, and put it back together again, so i obviously have learned how to learn, yet i'm supposed to pay my hard earned money to listen to some self important, pompous blowhard babble self righteously to himself in lecture; even though when it actully gets down to the nuts and bolts of the situation, i'm on my own... screw that...

i got the highest scores of any classes that i took from the professors who actually TAUGHT us something...
 
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sandgk and buckloin...

thank you for your posts... Makes me think that the problem isn't all K Ho's in the first place... (i call her that b/c i can't spell her name...) (and it's a little funny) I still feel like undergrads are still getting screwed here. I went two years to a small school (tri-state university) then transfered here b/c i thought it would be more fun/exciting (football games...) and figured the education would be about the same. I was wrong...

I can learn out of a book but not nearly as well as i can when someone explains things well. I have had many student explain easy concepts to me when the prof couldn't... I guess the way they have it set up i shouldn't of come to school but just bought the books and taught myself b/c the profs don't/can't help...

Also, who's the one giving me the bad reputation? All for one post? that seems a bit goofy to me. Buckeyeplannet is awesome but what good is it if you can't give an honest opinion?


Now lets get back to the main topic... "ripping on kho for the damn band"

Go Buckeyes!
 
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I think the onus is definitely on the student to learn the material, however, I think that profs do need to be held accountable for poor teaching. I mean we aren't the experts so we need help in interpreting the equations, concepts, etc, which is their job. The profs shouldn't hold your hand, but at least coherently convey the ideas and be interested in teaching the class. This is why teacher evaluations are so important. I know at my school so many kids don't take them seriously, but they actually get the faculty to listen and help facilitate changes.

I also applaud Holbrook for making Ohio St. more of a research school. It means more labs, better facilities/equipment, and a greater chance of getting degree-related work at school, which should be required in the science/engineering faculties. And from what my brother tells me, Ohio St. is building some new building all of the time--that's a good thing.

Finally, I don't know if this is the right place, but it seems like there might be people in this forum who could give me some inside info on the Materials Science/Engineering grad school program (i.e. best profs, grants info, ease of admission, whom to talk to, etc.). I will be visiting this fall to see my bro (he's not in engineering and will be a soph. so he doesn't any relavent info), and checking out the department for myself as I am thinking about going there for grad school next year. I would greatly appreciate any help/suggestions, just PM me please.

The band thing is stupid by the way, another possible victim of the uber-PC world.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Steve19, not trashing your support, but those rankings were ranked in order according to the National Research Council's Research-Doctorate Programs in the United States, published in 1995. I wonder if the math department has gained ground on others since then...
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Fair comment. I can't find more recent rankings more quickly on the net. Ohio State has invested heavily in faculty.

Here is the College's report for 2005 and it lists peer-review (Harvard) and other comparative statistics that suggest ranking is indeed much higher and that they are trying to rise to the top. Satisfaction appears to be pretty high with teaching, with more than 60% of seniors ranking the teachers as above average and about 80% of all other years. The commentary on students, teachers, and research suggests that rankings are rising rapidly.

http://www.mps.ohio-state.edu/Reports/CollegeReport2005.pdf
 
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K-ho

OSU is a blue collar football school. It's nice to have academic accolades, but let's face it - NW will always be the brains. Michigan will always be the snobs. I have no regrets about attending OSU. Loved every second of it, and feel I got as good an education as anyone. The best part of attending was the football. I grew up in Columbus, and didn't give a shit about football until I experienced it as a student at OSU.

her targeted attempts at restricting tailgating have not worked. nor will they. if she doesn't want me drinking out of a beer can in the middle of lane avenue, i'll pour it in a red solo cup.

How about a nice T-shirt design for tailgaters.

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if someone does design that, please give me a cut, and a cut to this website.

i recognize that she is doing good academic things for the school, but those are balanced out by shit she pulls with the tailgaters.

for the record the "HO" was supposed to be under the "K" :wink2:
 
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There are a lot of misconceptions about higher education in this thread, but the largest one is what the purpose of a Land Grant Institution is. Land Grants were not created in order to provide greater access to higher education through low costs and relaxed standards. If you go back to the Morrill Act of 1862, you will find that the goal of the Land Grant legislation was to create a center for research that benefited the local community...at the time this was primarily an agricultural and engineering focus. There is nothing in the Morrill Act about affordable education or access...these issues were addressed in Ohio through the creation of smaller state universities and community colleges.

Ohio State fulfills its role as a Land Grant institution very well, especially considering the quality of research at the university and its well-developed extentions agencies. There is no historical reason for Ohio State to keep relaxed, academic standards or focus on undergraduate education...it is not part of the school's mission. As mentioned earlier, there are plenty of opportunities for students in Ohio who do not meet OSU's standards: Kent State, Akron, Toledo, Bowling Green, Cleveland State, UC, Wright State, OU, Miami, Shawnee State, Youngstown State, and Central State. Ohio has provided plenty of opportunitities for its citizens to get an education.

Furthermore, it should be remembered that U. of California (including Berkeley and UCLA), Cornell, Illinois, Maryland, and Wisconsin are all Land-Grant institutions. I don't think there is anything wrong with Ohio State hoping to compete with these schools.
 
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strohs said:
That kid isnt a Sr. at Ohio State and you know it, hes full of BS.
And seeing as how the academic standards have improved every year for many years now, I highly doubt the standards have "fucking droppped" since you graduated.
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I don't know what he is, and I doubt you do either. I take him at his word until I have proof otherwise.

My comment was directed at him - it had nothing to do with you. Your choice to personalize it was exactly that, your choice.
 
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1998_OSU_Grad said:
her targeted attempts at restricting tailgating have not worked. nor will they. if she doesn't want me drinking out of a beer can in the middle of lane avenue, i'll pour it in a red solo cup.

How about a nice T-shirt design for tailgaters.

FUCK
H
O


if someone does design that, please give me a cut, and a cut to this website.

i recognize that she is doing good academic things for the school, but those are balanced out by shit she pulls with the tailgaters.
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:roll2:

I guess I would have a little more respect for the tailgate whiners if they actually understood the issue. Contrary to mythology, she doesn't have a hard-on for tailgaters, she isn't pulling "shit with them. The State of Ohio has a law against open containers of alcohol on public property. The campus is public property, and the heat came down after some "celebrations" got out of hand. The fact is, the law was always there, and some idiots created a situation where OSU can no longer ignore it. It doesn't matter whether the knuckleheads were students or not; it doesn't matter if you disagree with the law. That's just the reality of it.

In plain English, Ohio law prohibits:

  • Persons under 21 years old from consuming, purchasing or possessing alcoholic beverages
  • Giving or selling alcoholic beverages to persons under 21 years old
  • Having an open container of alcoholic beverage in a public place, regardless of your age. Public places are those which anyone can enter freely and include sidewalks, streets, tree lawns, some outdoor areas of apartment complexes, and inside parked or moving cars.
  • Using false identification to obtain alcoholic beverages
  • Allowing underage persons to consume alcoholic beverages on your property
Punishment for these first-degree misdemeanors can be up to six months in jail and/or a fine of up to $1,000.

http://partysmart.osu.edu/alcohollaws.php

Attacking the President for it is stupid, childish or both. When you have a REAL issue about her job performance, then I'll talk about firing her. The arguments presented, to date, have been laughable at best.
 
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i've been wondering when someone was going to mention the fact that open containers are illegal EVERYWHERE in the state... sure, the cops used to be lax in enforcing the law on Gameday, but a few knuckleheads ruined that for the rest of us... the fact still remains that open containers are illegal...

misanthrope: you are to be commended for your sound reason...
 
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lvbuckeye said:
i've been wondering when someone was going to mention the fact that open containers are illegal EVERYWHERE in the state... sure, the cops used to be lax in enforcing the law on Gameday, but a few knuckleheads ruined that for the rest of us... the fact still remains that open containers are illegal...

misanthrope: you are to be commended for your sound reason...
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Thx, lv.

But I gotta admit, I do enjoy grabbing a tall, cold one and cruising the Strip when I'm in Vegas. Unfortunately, the law is different in Ohio, and Karen Holbrook didn't create it. The folks that don't like the law need to take it up with their legislators, not Holbrook.
 
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