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Celtics-Cavs Second Round Series

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jwinslow;1165944; said:
Yes, since the Cavs looked like world beaters in this series :roll2:Did you watch their previous series or not?
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At home the Celtics are world beaters, and that is all they need.

:groove3:

I also saw most of the 82 games they had and thought the recored spoke for itself.
 
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Best Buckeye;1165945; said:
I haven't watched any game , I just think it's funny when people say that the winning team is a fraud after they just won two series.
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Well if you had watched the games, you would have seen Boston win a game while two of their all-stars score a total of 4 points. Why? Because LeBron returned the favor with complete ineptitude on offense, which spanned many games.

They do not have the firepower, nor the coaching, to overcome his failures on a regular basis.

Bottom line, wins are only as valuable as the competition you beat. The Hawks played tough but were a mediocre team, and Cleveland showed they didn't deserve a Conf finals berth, let alone a title game.

Contrast that with the types of teams you often have to get through in the western conference, even in the first round.
 
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Best Buckeye;1165941; said:
So what you are trying to say is that the celts have been exposed in two (not one, but two) series that they just happened to win ?
Heck I wish I could be exposed like that all the time.
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Yes. They went to 7 games against a team that wasn't even close to .500 and they almost lost to a 1 man team.

Detroit has 4 legit players.

I won't be shocked if Boston wins, but Detroit is better on paper. Plus, Detroit knows how to move the basketball. Plus Detroit is as good as Cleveland defensively. Plus Detroit has a PF who doesn't clog up the middle on the offensive end. Plus Detroit has a bench comprised of guys who are proven.

I think the series is closer than some here have stated, although I think Detroit gets it done.

Again, a line-up of:

Billups
Hamilton
Prince
McDyess
Wallace

is considerably better than:

West
Szcerbiak
James
Wallace
Illgauskas

Brininging Theo Ratliff and Jason Maxiell off the bench is as good as Anderson Varajeao. Plus Detroit has experience in Lindsey Hunter and Jarvis Hayes.

I just don't think Boston has enough fire power to hang with Detroit in the end. Yes they had the best regular season record, but they also have had the most trouble of any team still remaining in the playoffs. They don't look like a title team to me. We'll see in the end though.
 
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The Celts still won, no matter what the other teams did or didn't do. They are they ones who dug deep enough to win hard games.
So what if the hawks weren;t that good ? the Celts beat them.
So what if LJ had a bad game? the Celts still won.
One could call them a "blue collar team" and that type of team has won it all before.
If the Celts win it all, will they still be "frauds" ?
 
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Best Buckeye;1165945; said:
I haven't watched any game , I just think it's funny when people say that the winning team is a fraud after they just won two series.
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Is a fraud a strong word?...Yes...

But while they are still playing, they have been heavy favorites in two series in which most thought would be a sweep and tougher series, but not as hard as it was...

The thing is the Celtics are not playing up to their potential like many thought they would in that the series are going longer than they thought, and not beating teams with ease like they were in the regular season and not winning on the road...

I for one am not ready to hand the series to the Pistons like some and I for one am not saying that Celtics can't easily turn it around and play better than they have been and win it all...

I am just saying that they are not playing as well as they should be...Thus the reason why some are saying fraud...They are expecting a championship and not just 2 first round series...In terms of a contender they don't look good now...

The thing is they have teams left to beat that are better than the teams that are giving them all they can handle...

tron said:
At home the Celtics are world beaters, and that is all they need.
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Disagree with this statement...The Cavs had them on the ropes 3 out of 4 games and the other game they had a big lead in the first half...Do they play better than they play on the road?...Yes, but they have not shown to me that they are world beaters at home...To me that means the games shouldn't be close...The games were close...
 
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Best Buckeye;1165958; said:
The Celts still won, no matter what the other teams did or didn't do. They are they ones who dug deep enough to win hard games.
So what if the hawks weren;t that good ? the Celts beat them.
So what if LJ had a bad game? the Celts still won.
One could call them a "blue collar team" and that type of team has won it all before.
If the Celts win it all, will they still be "frauds" ?
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No they won't be frauds if they win it all. Would you consider them frauds if they lose to Detroit after their regular season?
 
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billmac91;1165956; said:
Yes. They went to 7 games against a team that wasn't even close to .500 and they almost lost to a 1 man team.

Detroit has 4 legit players.

I won't be shocked if Boston wins, but Detroit is better on paper. Plus, Detroit knows how to move the basketball. Plus Detroit is as good as Cleveland defensively. Plus Detroit has a PF who doesn't clog up the middle on the offensive end. Plus Detroit has a bench comprised of guys who are proven.

I think the series is closer than some here have stated, although I think Detroit gets it done.

Again, a line-up of:

Billups
Hamilton
Prince
McDyess
Wallace

is considerably better than:

West
Szcerbiak
James
Wallace
Illgauskas

Brininging Theo Ratliff and Jason Maxiell off the bench is as good as Anderson Varajeao. Plus Detroit has experience in Lindsey Hunter and Jarvis Hayes.

I just don't think Boston has enough fire power to hang with Detroit in the end. Yes they had the best regular season record, but they also have had the most trouble of any team still remaining in the playoffs. They don't look like a title team to me. We'll see in the end though.
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Boston went 2-1 in the reg. season against the Piston's so I think Boston has a great chance in this series.
 
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Best Buckeye;1165958; said:
The Celts still won, no matter what the other teams did or didn't do. They are they ones who dug deep enough to win hard games.
So what if the hawks weren;t that good ? the Celts beat them.
So what if LJ had a bad game? the Celts still won.
One could call them a "blue collar team" and that type of team has won it all before.
If the Celts win it all, will they still be "frauds" ?
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What everyone is getting at is that as the number one seed, you shouldn't have as much trouble with the Hawks. They shouldn't have as much trouble against a one-man Cavs team, especially when the one-man has one of the worst offensive three game stretches of his career.

You're only as good as your competition, and two much less talented teams took the Celts to their limit in back-to-back series. Yes, they won them both and deserve credit for their ability to overcome the adversity and win both game sevens, but Detroit is a much, much better team than either Atlanta, or the Cavs. Boston is going to have to learn to win on the road, because I really believe that Detroit will steal one in Boston in that series.

I wouldn't go so far as to call them frauds, Dallas last year was a fraud, Seattle in '94 (?) was a fraud. But, they are not playing as strong as you would like for a one seed to be going into the Conference Finals. Personally, I think Detroit takes it in 6, and I fucking hate Detroit.

Also, teams with 3 superstars are not "blue collar" teams.
 
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BUCKYLE;1165975; said:
The ONLY reason anyone would be calling the Celtics frauds at this point is they are a sore loser. Period.
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the "best team" should be able to win on the road in the playoffs

but you will see when they play a team that is actually capable of winning on the road in the playoffs (the Pistons)
 
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