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Charlie Weis (ex-Kansas HC, ex-Fla OC, Notre Dame legend, UnDecided Schematic Advantage)

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Taosman said:
Willingham should sue their asses!
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Err - Why?

His contract like most others in the game was serving at the pleasure of the institution. The only difference is that ND had histoirically allowed coaches to complete the original term of a contract - but now with TW they did not. Guess what, that makes ND just like any other college football program. Coach ain't cutting it and things are going from bad to worse, find a new head coach.

Willingham's early success was all D, all Special teams and a heavy dose of lucky bounces, but little or no improvement on offense. It was also built heavilly on Davies' recruits, not Willingham's. Point of fact there were rumblings among the ND faithful concerning the drop-off in recruited talent that Willingham's first recruiting class seemed to offer. Tack on a poor second and third year showing, high margin losses to their chief rival, and there is little on which Willingham can hang his hat about his stay in South Bend.

His treatment my not have been compared to that doled out to earlier coaches for the Irish. It is however fully in keeping with the risk / reward at the vast majority of other institutions throughout Div 1A.
 
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The Domers were backed into a corner on this. They had to do something because their recruits were reading all about the NFL teams that were going to go after CW this offseason
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Bingo. What I don't see, and perhaps I read through it, is the new buy out amount.

IMO the biggest difference between Ty and Weiss is that Weiss is already proving his ability to recruit. Ty was never able to manage that process.
 
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I'll concede that he's created a lot of excitement in ND and has won more games than people thought he would, but a 10 year extension to a coach who has yet to beat a decent team seems a bit premature. Ten years is extremely long in terms of contract extensions.
 
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Weis....Buckeyes?

Good for Weis. I hope he invests well, loses about 80 pounds, and has a serene, uneventful tenure in northwestern Indiana. This thread should be moved to Open Discussion. :oh: :io:
 
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Will Charlie be able to "out x and o" everybody every year? Or will his experience at doing it in the NFL be too big a factor. I've seen it mentioned before about how Joe Tiller had everybody fooled the first year or two and then everybody caught on to his innovations.

Plus in the NFL you get to keep your guys a little longer than four or five years and you get to work with them more than 20 hours per week.

I like the argument for recruiting best.

If I'm Weiss, I stay at ND as long as possible. Why go to the pros and have to draft and deal with salary cap or waste time building a winner through drafts and free agency.

Good ol' Butch should've stayed in Coral Gables and Dennis Erickson should've stayed in Corvalis.
 
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He'll be gone in 4 years tops. No way he turns down more elusive pro head coaching jobs. Before going to ND he was interviewing for Pro teams but was turned down because noone believed in him at the time. More years that pass, more jobs will come available. Just like I think if the Saints move to LA, say goodbye to Pete Carroll.
 
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slickman said:
Will Charlie be able to "out x and o" everybody every year? Or will his experience at doing it in the NFL be too big a factor. I've seen it mentioned before about how Joe Tiller had everybody fooled the first year or two and then everybody caught on to his innovations.

Plus in the NFL you get to keep your guys a little longer than four or five years and you get to work with them more than 20 hours per week.

I like the argument for recruiting best.

If I'm Weiss, I stay at ND as long as possible. Why go to the pros and have to draft and deal with salary cap or waste time building a winner through drafts and free agency.

Good ol' Butch should've stayed in Coral Gables and Dennis Erickson should've stayed in Corvalis.
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The slick move is to recruit your best team EVER, then the year they turn pro, Wies turns pro and drafts a bunch of them to stack his team with players he alreayd knows. :biggrin: lol
 
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BuckeyePride85 said:
He'll be gone in 4 years tops. No way he turns down more elusive pro head coaching jobs. Before going to ND he was interviewing for Pro teams but was turned down because noone believed in him at the time. More years that pass, more jobs will come available. Just like I think if the Saints move to LA, say goodbye to Pete Carroll.
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Disagree with you on that scenario.

From Weis' lips
[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]Weis said one of his "primary goals'' was to remain in South Bend until he retires and at least until his son, Charlie Jr., 12, graduates from Notre Dame.[/FONT]
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So Weis has tenure for at least ten years, either until Charlie Jr. graduates from ND (the 10 year metric) or until he retires, which health issues aside, could be an even higher number
 
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Oh8ch said:
Bingo. What I don't see, and perhaps I read through it, is the new buy out amount.

IMO the biggest difference between Ty and Weiss is that Weiss is already proving his ability to recruit. Ty was never able to manage that process.
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In all fairness to Willingham in the recruiting department these are his recruits that Weiss is winning with. He outrecruited us for Walker out of Georgia who is their stud rb.
 
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god, everybody is just jealous. i hate to say it, but weiss is a FANTASTIC coach. nd's offense used to suck. he comes in, and all of a sudden they are playing with an incredible amount of crispness and efficiency. watching them is like watching a finely-tuned machine. it is not a "gimmicky" offense that other teams will soon catch on to. it is professional and extremely consistent. once he's able to recruit halfway decent players on defense (and he will...ND is going to be hauling in some ridiculous classes now....if i was a high-school player, and i couldn't go to OSU, ND would probably top my list), the irish are going to dominate. sucks, but it appears to be headed that way.
 
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BuckeyeTrail said:
god, everybody is just jealous. i hate to say it, but weiss is a FANTASTIC coach. nd's offense used to suck. he comes in, and all of a sudden they are playing with an incredible amount of crispness and efficiency. watching them is like watching a finely-tuned machine. it is not a "gimmicky" offense that other teams will soon catch on to. it is professional and extremely consistent. once he's able to recruit halfway decent players on defense (and he will...ND is going to be hauling in some ridiculous classes now....if i was a high-school player, and i couldn't go to OSU, ND would probably top my list), the irish are going to dominate. sucks, but it appears to be headed that way.
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just a little jealous. they look like the patriots on offense. all the pats need is a great 6th round QB, a sturdy RB and throw in some quick wideouts. the domers should be all that.
 
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BuckeyeTrail said:
god, everybody is just jealous. i hate to say it, but weiss is a FANTASTIC coach. nd's offense used to suck. he comes in, and all of a sudden they are playing with an incredible amount of crispness and efficiency. watching them is like watching a finely-tuned machine. it is not a "gimmicky" offense that other teams will soon catch on to. it is professional and extremely consistent. once he's able to recruit halfway decent players on defense (and he will...ND is going to be hauling in some ridiculous classes now....if i was a high-school player, and i couldn't go to OSU, ND would probably top my list), the irish are going to dominate. sucks, but it appears to be headed that way.
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I don't see how you can say that they are not halfway decent players.

Quinn will probably be a first round draft pick, Walker is a good running back and their recievers are very good.
 
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