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Cleveland Browns (2016 thread of unrelenting dumpster conflagration)

When DePodesta graduated Harvard he was looking for jobs in football and wound up getting hired by the Indians. Now after being a baseball guy for 20 years he's getting hired by the Browns.

Cleveland pro sports, man.
 
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I do not know how much you know about Brown but I assume quite a bit. Saying that, he is very highly respected by the guys who cover the Browns. He does not have an ego and is a very good listener. He brings people together which is sorely needed in this "organization". According to what I have heard, he knows his place and will not try to bring in his friends like Farmer did.

I'm am quite aware of whom Brown is and his background. For the jokes I mention I will say, I do tend to like what I've heard about him and his willingness to accept input from every level of the front office.

I also appreciate a man who will attempt to look at players beyond the eye sight moving into the realm of film and wanting to quantify play with stats.

That said, my fear is that he also has no personnel knowledge of the game at any level of play and he'll go full numbers geek in regards to potential players in the draft and/or free agency.
 
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Eagles calling Gase back for a 2nd interview (supposedly Browns top choice)... looks like he's not gonna be with the browns
then this


This is starting to look like the last coach search:sad: I thought maybe this time it might be different but if they are interviewing a DB coach that is just nuts. I would think if they found someone that they liked they would hire him and call off the rest of the interviews but I am not sure what the hell they are doing.

After this year, I thought that Garrett might be in trouble down in Dallas.. There was a lot of speculation about him being the Browns coach years ago. He is originally from Cleveland Heights.
 
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I live outside of Ohio an travel quite a bit and everywhere I go it is the same thing on the sports radio shows. They all might have issues with their team or coach, but one thing everyone can agree on is they are glad they aren't Browns fans. Ahhhhh the Clown show.....
Someone is not telling the truth. There are probably more Browns fans around the country's any other teams except maybe for the Cowboys and Packers. Browns fans call into Browns radio stations from almost every state and the number of Browns Backers clubs is overwhelming.
 
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This is starting to look like the last coach search:sad: I thought maybe this time it might be different but if they are interviewing a DB coach that is just nuts. I would think if they found someone that they liked they would hire him and call off the rest of the interviews but I am not sure what the hell they are doing.

After this year, I thought that Garrett might be in trouble down in Dallas.. There was a lot of speculation about him being the Browns coach years ago. He is originally from Cleveland Heights.
Btw Dallas's jet was sitting on the NO runway this morning. Garrett might not be that safe
 
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I'm am quite aware of whom Brown is and his background. For the jokes I mention I will say, I do tend to like what I've heard about him and his willingness to accept input from every level of the front office.

I also appreciate a man who will attempt to look at players beyond the eye sight moving into the realm of film and wanting to quantify play with stats.

That said, my fear is that he also has no personnel knowledge of the game at any level of play and he'll go full numbers geek in regards to potential players in the draft and/or free agency.

Well, if nothing else, I find this all very interesting. Whether it changes the results on the field or not, I have no idea, but it certainly different. I think if it does change the result on the field, I think we have Billy Franzinfandel to thank. Not because he's crazy but he's the poster child of "our personnel sucks"

I think its finally sunk in that any good draft picks the browns made were of the blind squirrel finding a nut variety... but, the Manziel one goes even deeper. So, the key to Sashi and DePodesta and all the new stuff the want to add is actually using the tools (and correctly, but that's a different thing). They already paid a big pile of $ to evaluate the QB's in the '14 draft.... and what did that tell them... Draft Bridgewater (if they were gonna take a QB)... and what did they do? Listen to the hobo in the gutter.

But, depending on who their "Football" evaluators are... this seems better... and least thought out.

gotta be better than Holmgren working from home on a different coast, or Banner, Lombardi, and whoever all the other either unimaginative or lazy fucks who didn't really care we've had.

Now, the bad side is, that Jimmy Haslem is a glorified gas station owner... and I remember one of my first jobs was at a small construction company where the hay seed owner had in his brain he'd hire a bunch of "college boys" so he could sit in his office, drink coffee, complain about politics, read the paper and collect the cash. Problem was, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. Prolly coulda done it, if we knew what the fuck it was. And I was thinking that this could go that way pretty fast till they hired Jonah... he's a pretty smart dude, and I don't think he'd have taken the job if he didn't think the idea as a whole made sense. Dunno how much difference the advanced metrics will matter in football where you don't have 6 full teams of guys to accumulate talent, and every player actually IN the league has the same injury probability as a retread reliever. But, I guess everyone has those problems regardless of how they come to the personnel decision. But, if Jimmah say he wants to improve talent acquisition, at least he's making it look like they're gonna change that part of the house.
 
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Well, if nothing else, I find this all very interesting. Whether it changes the results on the field or not, I have no idea, but it certainly different. I think if it does change the result on the field, I think we have Billy Franzinfandel to thank. Not because he's crazy but he's the poster child of "our personnel sucks"

I think its finally sunk in that any good draft picks the browns made were of the blind squirrel finding a nut variety... but, the Manziel one goes even deeper. So, the key to Sashi and DePodesta and all the new stuff the want to add is actually using the tools (and correctly, but that's a different thing). They already paid a big pile of $ to evaluate the QB's in the '14 draft.... and what did that tell them... Draft Bridgewater (if they were gonna take a QB)... and what did they do? Listen to the hobo in the gutter.

But, depending on who their "Football" evaluators are... this seems better... and least thought out.

gotta be better than Holmgren working from home on a different coast, or Banner, Lombardi, and whoever all the other either unimaginative or lazy fucks who didn't really care we've had.

Now, the bad side is, that Jimmy Haslem is a glorified gas station owner... and I remember one of my first jobs was at a small construction company where the hay seed owner had in his brain he'd hire a bunch of "college boys" so he could sit in his office, drink coffee, complain about politics, read the paper and collect the cash. Problem was, we didn't know what the fuck we were doing. Prolly coulda done it, if we knew what the fuck it was. And I was thinking that this could go that way pretty fast till they hired Jonah... he's a pretty smart dude, and I don't think he'd have taken the job if he didn't think the idea as a whole made sense. Dunno how much difference the advanced metrics will matter in football where you don't have 6 full teams of guys to accumulate talent, and every player actually IN the league has the same injury probability as a retread reliever. But, I guess everyone has those problems regardless of how they come to the personnel decision. But, if Jimmah say he wants to improve talent acquisition, at least he's making it look like they're gonna change that part of the house.

If the analytics said Bridgewater was the best QB in the class with Bortles and Carr also being good and Billy Football being a giant red flag waiting to flame out I'll go with the analytics. I would love to see what they had to say about the CB's of that class. For some reason football seems to be a harder sport for analytics than baseball.
 
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This is starting to look like the last coach search:sad: I thought maybe this time it might be different but if they are interviewing a DB coach that is just nuts. I would think if they found someone that they liked they would hire him and call off the rest of the interviews but I am not sure what the hell they are doing.
Perhaps you'd like to give them more than 2.5 days to find someone. It took 25 days to hire Pettine.

They're also getting interviews with candidates who are considered to be at the top of the market (Gase, Hue Jackson, Sean McDermott, etc). Teams also use interviews to gauge potential coordinator hires, which could be why Jerome Henderson is being brought in. Back away from the ledge.
 
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Perhaps you'd like to give them more than 2.5 days to find someone. It took 25 days to hire Pettine.

They're also getting interviews with candidates who are considered to be at the top of the market (Gase, Hue Jackson, Sean McDermott, etc). Teams also use interviews to gauge potential coordinator hires, which could be why Jerome Henderson is being brought in. Back away from the ledge.
I am not on a ledge:biggrin2: I would also think that the HC would want to pick their coordinators. I do not think that this committee is going to dictate a coach's coordinators because as they tried to do that it is going to be very difficult for them to find a HC.. I also do not think it is a good idea to keep on interviewing if you find a guy that you are like..

Yeah,, it took 25 days to hire Pettine and look what happened. Teams are not going to wait for the Browns for them to hire a head coach. That was the point that I was trying to make..
 
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If the analytics said Bridgewater was the best QB in the class with Bortles and Carr also being good and Billy Football being a giant red flag waiting to flame out I'll go with the analytics. I would love to see what they had to say about the CB's of that class. For some reason football seems to be a harder sport for analytics than baseball.

It can't be just analytics... obviously... but Manziel is crazy (known issue), has crap measureables (known issues), and whatever the additional analytics were had him behind Bridgewater - Maybe/Probably Carr too. (That's all I remember, Bortles was gonna be off the board so I don't remember what they said about him) and they still took the whacko anyway. I think the point is... they just chucked all that, on the "it" factor. (And maybe he's a freak craps player, I dunno) Then gave him slot dot receivers when he needs guys that are monster 50/50 ball winners. (and I'm hoping, you know that's part of the analytics too)
 
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