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Cleveland Browns (Finally drafting Buckeyes)

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I’m done with this team! Meanwhile in Cincinnati, Burrows going to the playoffs more than likely. Browns should’ve traded Baker and OBJ and next years first round draft pick for Rodgers while he was disgruntled in Green Bay. Browns will never win with shrimpy at QB and overrated primadonna Beckham
 
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Stop going for it unnecessarily on 4th down at every possible moment and you win the fucking game. I love the Browns, and also hate the Browns. Grasping defeat from the jaws of victory.

The 4th down attempts are costing the team games. And I’m fucking done with it. If your star players could catch the ball, maybe I’d understand. But they can’t.
 
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dragurd said:
Odell is fucking coward make a play and take the hit
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3 feet over his head and behind him. Not the play you want to use as an example there.

Baker wasn't good and that last dig to Landry was high and late. A familiar phrase for him.

The oline struggled to sustain blocks. Stef called a questionable game, especially with the longer developing run calls such as that counter power on 4th and 1.

Receivers made some strange drops and it was an all around poor offensive game top to bottom. Coaches to players.
 
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3074326 said:
A little high and slightly late, also a ball that Landry MUST catch. It wasn’t uncatchable at all. That’s on Landry. He had two absolutely critical drops on the last drive.
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There is a large difference between uncatchable and giving your receiver every possible chance to continue converting this drive.



13:16. Putting a ball so high you're making a 5'11 receiver who isn't a vertical 50/50 catcher to climb the ladder with a ball high, late and to the back shoulder of his body. Sure, not "uncatchable" by definition. But life is rarely that black and white.

Baker threw it high and late, Juice wasn't physically capable enough of reeling it in. It's a combination of things that do not make for winning strategy.
 
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I can’t see the clip, but I saw the replay during the game and agreed with Romo and Nantz that it was absolutely catchable. Tough catch for sure.

But that play is overlooking my general point. The star WRs drop balls every game, and it happens when they NEED the catches. The one we are talking about was the second of the drive for Jarvis. And we haven’t even talked about the fumble.

Baker deservedly gets heat, but he wasn’t the problem today. OBJ being the most expensive decoy in the world and Jarvis forgetting how to handle the football were the problems. And the god damn 4th down fuckery.
 
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3074326 said:
I can’t see the clip
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3074326 said:
but I saw the replay during the game and agreed with Romo and Nantz that it was absolutely catchable.
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This is a matter of opinion with a bang-bang play in the moment. "Catchable" deals with probability more than anything. The probability of this throw being caught, to this particular receiver, was incredibly low. In a vaccuum, the most important variable in this throw was Baker with the timing and delivery. It was poor. And it's that simple. He made other great throws today that weren't his fault weren't converted. Both can be true.

3074326 said:
The star WRs drop balls every game, and it happens when they NEED the catches. The one we are talking about was the second of the drive for Jarvis. And we haven’t even talked about the fumble.

Baker deservedly gets heat, but he wasn’t the problem today.
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We always NEED the catches. There were 7 dropped balls on high probability targets, there were about as many bad passes on won routes. At some point I'm going to go back and chart them myself, but that was just my quick count during the game.

You're right, and you're wrong.

Baker wasn't THE problem.
The receivers weren't THE problem.
Stef wasn't THE problem.
The Oline wasn't THE problem.

All of them were THE problem. Because none of those position groups could help to overcome the deficient play of one another today. Plenty of "blame" to go around, Stef all the way down to the Oline.
 
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LitlBuck said:
@Buckeneye your Baker bashing is really getting old. If you really go to the Browns home games, you better get used to him because he is not going anyplace. I know that you are a football genius with all that knowledge pouring out.
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He's 16th in completion percentage, 17th in passer rating, and the team is 4-4 despite having an above average roster. It's not bashing to say he's an average QB when every measurable backs that up.

Giving Mayfield big bucks would be like paying Kurt Cousins. That hasn't gotten Minnesota anywhere. Baker's the best QB the Browns have had in years but his ceiling is limited. That's just the reality of the situation.
 
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LitlBuck said:
@Buckeneye your Baker bashing is really getting old.
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Buckeneye said:
Good ball placement by Baker.
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My recap comments on Baker Re: Chicago game.

Buckeneye said:
In Bakers defense, the coaching staff didn't really put in him a position to make a couple of those throws.

Ultimately today isn't on the offense. They put up 40+. Today is on the defense.
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My comments absolving Baker for the Bolts game with several posters going in on blaming him for the gaffe' of the last drive.
He played very well that game.



I didn't even use the search function, that's just from the last couple weeks alone. I know I've used "In Baker's defense" probably another half dozen times.

Should I continue?
 
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