Could Someone Go Julius Caesar / Augustus on the USA Today?

[Mike80]

The answer is no, not as it's currently structured and there isn't a military person with the chutzpah to pull it off. Eisenhower was probably the most popular general in US history not named Washington, but both of them were elected via popular processes set forth in the Constitution.

And, as noted, military members don't swear an oath to defend generals or even the President, they swear to defend the Constitution and obey the orders within the UCMJ...sure someone might get some support, but it wouldn't be universal.

If you want a true doomsday scenario, what if some day in the near future parts of the United States finally start pulling away from each other politically - and more than just a north/south split but a regional split where they all don't want anything to do with one another - some parts will have an inordinate amount of power compared to others when you look at populations and all that.

 

[MaxBuck]

The answer is no, not as it's currently structured

So, you're saying I can't be Pussy Czar.

Fuck you, then.

 

[BIATCHabutuka]

So, you're saying I can't be Pussy Czar.

Fuck you, then.

I need to hear your pussy platform before we go rushing into these sorts of things.

Tell me how you are going to reform pussy for all of mankind?

 

[jlb1705]

Why do you all want to take over a newspaper? Dying industry.

 

[BIATCHabutuka]

Why do you all want to take over a newspaper? Dying industry.

Newspaper pussy, duh.

 

[MaxBuck]

I need to hear your pussy platform before we go rushing into these sorts of things.

Tell me how you are going to reform pussy for all of mankind?

Czars don't have "platforms."

And under my rule, pussy isn't "for all mankind." It's for BigJim first, then me.

You can get in line with the rest of the proles.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

The answer is no, not as it's currently structured and there isn't a military person with the chutzpah to pull it off. Eisenhower was probably the most popular general in US history not named Washington, but both of them were elected via popular processes set forth in the Constitution.

And, as noted, military members don't swear an oath to defend generals or even the President, they swear to defend the Constitution and obey the orders within the UCMJ...sure someone might get some support, but it wouldn't be universal.

If you want a true doomsday scenario, what if some day in the near future parts of the United States finally start pulling away from each other politically - and more than just a north/south split but a regional split where they all don't want anything to do with one another - some parts will have an inordinate amount of power compared to others when you look at populations and all that.

 

[Muck]

The answer is no, not as it's currently structured and there isn't a military person with the chutzpah to pull it off. Eisenhower was probably the most popular general in US history not named Washington, but both of them were elected via popular processes set forth in the Constitution.

Which illustrates just how amazing Washington truly was. He COULD have set himself up as a potentate for life if he had wanted to.

Instead of America's Caesar he choose to be it's Cincinnatus.

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Awesome game.

 

[Nutriaitch]

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i don't need Louisiana to secede (didn't work so well last time we tried it), but damn if we could just get a bigger chunk of the oil revenues for drilling off our coast.

anything beyond 3 miles off the coast, we only get like 1/4 of the revenue.

 

[EidoloN]

It's scary to think, China could also very easily invade from the north, through Canada. It's been discussed.

 

[BIATCHabutuka]

What is the point of actual capture though? Costly in terms of cash, even if it is all printed out of thin air. Costly in terms of manpower lost and future health care costs. Costly in terms of administrative costs. Costly in terms of international reputation. Even if we take the oil, which we don't, we just let Exxon and BP and Total and other multinationals run it and pay little in taxes, I don't think the oil would pay for all these costs.

Much easier to capture every nation's central bank so that you can print money anywhere in the world at will.

Deal with the captors at hand, not imaginary future captors.



This is the only Roman silver coin I have in stock now. Another cheapie. A little bigger than a dime, not quite the size of a quarter. Can't remember the year off the top of my head. I know it is BC roman, I want to say it is like 100 - 60 BC range for some reason. Would be a several hundred dollar coin but for the chip in it (likely caused by someone in the BC times making change). Reminds me of the Mercury Dime, another favorite.






Here is the decline of silver through time in Rome for anyone interested. All empires have done the same thing. We took most all silver out in 1964 and finally did in 1969, though I still find a few dollars or so every year in my change. Closed the gold window temporarily forever August 15th, 1971. Been downhill ever since really.



I have about a dozen or so very low grade bronze coins still around. One of my favorites isn't handy and I don't have pics either, but Julian the Apostate slabbed and graded mint state. Great coin for something minted in 363 - 360AD.

 

[Buckeye86]

i don't need Louisiana to secede (didn't work so well last time we tried it), but damn if we could just get a bigger chunk of the oil revenues for drilling off our coast.

anything beyond 3 miles off the coast, we only get like 1/4 of the revenue.

Ohio is getting basically no revenue from the fracking oil boom in our state because if we institute a severance tax at even half the rate found reasonable in Texas (Ohio is currently less than 1% while Texas is 7.5%) it would destroy the multi billion dollar industry.

Thus is the wisdom of the people who currently run the statehouse. Of course, that wisdom is heavily influenced by campaign contributions.

Governor Kasich, to his credit, has proposed a 4% tax (although he just plans to offset the revenue with additional income tax cuts, which I hear are working out great for Louisiana, by the way), but he is such a great leader of men he can't get supermajorities of his own party in the Senate and House to listen to him.

Anyways... we were talking about forcibly taking over the country... or something?

 

[Nutriaitch]

i think america is to large and spread out for that to happen today.

and i think once the turmoil starts, you'd see states try to break away again.
but unlike the Civil War, it won't be one group breaking off and joining together.

it will be several smaller groups (probably not far off of that map above) wanting to form multiple different nations.

and depending on how members of the currently military react (do they go to their home states or protect the union) would determine whether or not the new supreme leader would have the ability and resources to fight on multiple fronts like that.

because i don't think very many of the "new countries" would be aggressive toward one another initially, but all would more than likely be willing to go up against the Supreme Leader's crew.

I doubt that the Louisiana/Texas/Shitholes east of Louisiana would fight Nevada/Utah/California.
But both would be more than happy to go up against the new Empire.

and on a side note, Denver would become like some weird independent holy land or something.
because none of the other groups would have any use for it or the surrounding area, so none would even offer them to join or attempt to forcibly take it.

 

[Muck]

..../snip/...
because i don't think very many of the "new countries" would be aggressive toward one another initially, but all would more than likely be willing to go up against the Supreme Leader's crew.

I doubt that the Louisiana/Texas/[Mark May]holes east of Louisiana would fight Nevada/Utah/California.
But both would be more than happy to go up against the new Empire.../snip/...

I think you would definitely see conflict between Deseret, Aztlán & whatever the western parts of NoCal/Oregon/Washington end up calling itself (Cascadia/Jefferson etc). The Republic of Texas would almost certainly butt heads with Aztlán & might have some squabbles with Sequoyah.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the tree limbs in Mississippi & western Alabama were decorated with white folks.

 

[ExpatAkronite]

I think you would definitely see conflict between Deseret, Aztlán & whatever the western parts of NoCal/Oregon/Washington end up calling itself (Cascadia/Jefferson etc). The Republic of Texas would almost certainly butt heads with Aztlán & might have some squabbles with Sequoyah.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the tree limbs in Mississippi & western Alabama were decorated with white folks.

You need to understand the Jefferson State idea is far different than that of Cascadia. Jefferson is the merging of rural So OR and No CA that would create a true western West Virginia (no manufacturing, no ports, limited access to market for their ag goods--but they'd have lower taxes). The idea of Cascadia is the Willamette Valley of OR (Eugene to Portland) up to Seattle and sometimes Vancouver BC (essentially west of the Cascades to the Pacific). And of course lots of hippie chicks.