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Game Thread Game Six: Ohio State 35, Michigan State 24 (final)

Well...let's see how this game looked from B-deck today.

Our offense found out in the 1st quarter that it could move the ball. Troy Smith got in a groove, and we were running the ball...but a turnover stopped the momentum. We held them to 3, but then again turned the ball over. We stop them, but then get a flag...so now it's 10-0...and really it's all because of mistakes.

For the first 29 minutes of the game, EVERY BREAK was going MSU's way...our offense, which moved the ball really well in the first quarter and was able to put it in the endzone, went cold in the second because they couldn't get anything to go their way. I think the team felt defeated. They needed SOMETHING...SOME SPARK to get them back in the game....

THANK YOU JOHN L. SMITH AND FRIENDS...what a coaching blunder. From my seats, I didn't know what MSU was doing. I couldn't tell if they were kicking, or going for it, or what the hell was going on. But then I saw them finally get a holder and kicker out there, but half their line looked like it was missing, plus they had like 13 guys on the field. When we blocked that kick and returned it for a TD, the 'Shoe went nuts. You'd have thought we'd just won the game (and at that point, I knew that we actually had done just that). At halftime, I felt like even though we were down by 3, and we made all those horrible mistakes, that all that just got erased with that blocked field goal, and we were going to win this game.

We finally started to play better defense in the second half. Malcom Jenkins really stepped up I thought. They were able to move the ball...but our defense was coming up with sacks and big plays, and it was doing better against the run. I thought Troy Smith play almost exactly the type of game he needed to play, except for a couple series there in the second half. He didn't do anything horrible...but he didn't play well either. He didn't make bad decisions, but he wasn't making good ones either. He just looked like he didn't know what he really wanted to do. He threw a couple of passes that looked ugly. Missed wide open guys, and the crowd started to chant "We want Zwick!" That pissed me off. This was even before the fumble. FINE...the guy is struggling a little bit this half...but geez, he had been creating touchdowns, and hadn't fumbled or thrown a pick at this point. I'm sure booing him and chanting for Zwick is going to make him play better. What had Troy Smith done at that point to get BOOOED? My god!!!! He wasn't playing lights out, but it wasn't like he was losing the game for us. You'd have thought he had thrown 3 picks (oh wait, that's what Zwick usually did). Does anybody remember how poorly Zwick played last year? I'm not saying Zwick hasn't gotten better...but Troy Smith was playing quality Tressel football. It was Ginn and Holmes who had caused the turnover in the game. Yet one TD (thrown by Smith might I add) and the crowd is chanting "TEDDY TEDDY!" Yet two low passes and the crowd is booing Troy off the field. I don't care how he did it, and that he doesn't see the field well...he created 4 TDs and only had one turnover and 5 incomplete passes. We aren't just calling for a QB change after we lose a game, now we are calling for them if we ever go 3 and out.

Anyway...Smith obviously stayed in there because Tressel is a much better head coach than the fans, and he throws the go ahead TD pass to Santonio Holmes, who makes up for his fumbles in a big way. Then The 'Shoe came to life. No joke, that was as loud as it's been all year. The defense just fed off of the crowd late in the 4th quarter. If you were at the game, you know EXACTLY what i'm talking about. You KNEW Stanton was going to get sacked. You KNEW there was no chance in hell they were going to move the ball an inch. The game was over...our offense put our defense in a position to win the game with a stop, and it got it. I saw the replay from B-deck. Stanton fumbled. We recovered in the endzone. The refs blew that one. But it was nice for the O to get the ball back, for Pittman to get 100 yards rushing, and for TS to get his 4th TD of the day. Not bad for a horrible QB. Ohio State scores 35, 28 of which are put up by the offense without the help of turnovers. Not bad for a horrible offense.

You can say what you want about MSU's defense not being good...I don't care. This was a good MSU team. They beat a great ND team, thier only loss came in OT against scUM because their kicker choked. They have an amazing QB...but our defense got to him. The defense wore down the O-line. Amazing. It usually works the other way. But not today.

Overall this was a really exciting game to go to. I thought our offensive sets and playcalling was excellent. I saw less shotgun and 4 wide, and more I formation and 2 WR sets. That's the type of offense Ted Ginn, Holmes, Pittman, and Smith are going to be sucessful in. The FG block was the most exciting play of the year. The comeback was fun to watch. And the crowd was amazing in the 4th Q...bringing the defense to a new level of greatness. We were -4 in turnovers...we didn't even have the ball for 20 minutes...and we had 70 less yards total offense than them...yet we win by 11. If the team didn't have heart before this game...they sure as hell have it now. GO BUCKS!!!

By the way. Smith's QB rating was 149.3 today. In 5 games he is:

55 for 96 (57%) for 806 yards with 6 TD 2 INT (97.0 QB rating)

299 yards rushing with 6 rushing TDs

So that's 221 total yards and 2.4 TDs per game.

Biggest stat of all...he got the W today. GO BUCKS!!!

2 things. First of all, the scoreboard showed a replay of Stanton's sack/fumble late in the game? That may be the shock of the day. By the way, Pitcock's recovery was at about the 1-foot line.

Secondly, those QB ratings are apparently based on the NFL formula, and really shouldn't be used. Smith is currently 30th in college QB efficiency:

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Here's a link - sorry it's from the evil empire:

espn.qb.rating

Stanton is first at 184.02, down from 190 before the game.
Vince Young is 4th, Leinart is 8th, Brady Quinn is 18th, Chris Leak is 49th, and Chad Henne is 63rd.
 
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Hows does your math "limit how many receivers you can throw to"? The amount of pass attempts has nothing to do with the amount of receivers available. I've seen QBs throw completions to 8 different receivers in succession, so those 8 completions didn't limit who the QB was able to throw them to.

Keep in mind that two of his three TD passes were the direct--actually sole--result of missed tackles. I'm not saying we wouldn't have scored TDs in those drives anyway, but I'm not stacking up the compliments for Smith on those TDs. IIRC, he failed to find more several wide open WRs, and he threw downfield only a couple times...guess what, both of those resulted in TDs to Holmes. His completion percentage was more a result of the majority of his attempts being nit-noy short passes rather than being laser-locked.
whoopdeedo, this is exactly what zwick does and people worship him for it. I agree Zwick often progresses better, but if you take away short passes Zwick has almost no stats this year. I went back and watched every pass play, and Gonzo not getting the ball was not a breakdown on Troy's part. He was barely in the game, and many of the times he was we made good passes elsewhere.

Plus he completed 3 great deep throws, and a good intermediate route to Ginn on the TD. Not sure how may times Smith has to throw a good deep ball before he will get credit for them.

Danielson kept repeating how Smith was not finding all of his options, like Hall (who wasn't in the game IIRC), Pittman (I don't remember that many times where Pitt was a good option), and Gonzo (which after reviewing the entire game was not ignored very much given the lack of PT, and the good throws elsewhere when he was in)

If you watch the film, his lack of distribution was very overplayed. A few of those scrambles should have been halted and turned into upfield throws, but Gonzo/Hall/Pittman not getting the ball was not a breakdown (heck one wasn't even in the game, and right after the complaint Troy threw a great screen to Pittman)

1 pass - screen to Ginn (2 wr set)
2 pass - deep pass to holmes (2 wr)
3 pass - smash route to Ginn (3 wr, gonzo double covered)
4 pass - deep bomb TD to holmes (sorry Mili, that wasn't a broken tackle)
5 pass att - Smith rolls left, looks for Pittman who stops along sideline, fails to notice upfield an open Ginn
6th pass att - Smith steps up in pocke, and throws a good touch throw to Teddy, who doesn't come back to the ball at all, resulting in an incompletion that could have been caught easily
7th pass att - ugly ugly throw at gonzo's feet
8th pass play - well covered, almost scrambled for 1st down
9th pass - smash route to Holmes (2 wr)
10th pass - Ginn TD, good timing throw, threw it when Ginn wasn't open yet but delivered it before the other defender could close the gap (3 wr, gonzo ran short route on that side)... that was a good intermediate route, 10-12 yds if he is tackled right there (not 5 like Danielson kept kept yelling)
11th pass play - big backside pressure from DE as he cocks arm, steps up and picks up 7 yds
(hamby false start negates that next play and makes 2nd and 8)
12th pass play - pressured, scrambles for 27, holding penalty (now 2nd and nearly 20)
13th pass - screen to Ginn (on WR over there, trying to get him space), Hamby runs over to screen the play, minimal gain
14th pass - throws behind Gonzo over the middle well short of the 1st down
15th pass - progresses thru reads, comes back and hits Holmes over the middle for 11 yds and a 1st down
16th pass play - Smith had no options (danielson stated it as well), scrambled for 8 of 15 needed (punt time)
17 pass play - quick hit to Holmes off of his hands
18 pass play - looked like a designed draw, fumbles the ball (ugly)
(great QB keeper dragging the pile for a 1st down... including this b/c he rarely ran designed runs, but this one was a great individual effort)
19 pass - beautiful screen to PIttman
20 pass - nice deep pass to Holmes, who then broke a foot tackle and scored a TD

After watching the game again, it wasn't that great of a performance, but it wasn't that bad either. If you give an average QB 8 attempts in the first half, and not many more in the second half, that is a recipe for disaster IMO (he needs time to get into a rhythm). Overall, we only had 20 passing plays (some which turned into scrambles), very few of which had Gonzo on the field.

A big thing today? Gonzo was running the decoy routes often on Ginn's side, opening it up for him somewhat. This was a refreshing change, b/c I think Gonzo's head is on straight but Ginn needed a boost. We went his way often yesterday, and it will pay huge dividends down the road for his confidence.
 
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jwins - agreed about getting Ginn the ball - and the positive impact that has on his mindset.

His post-game quote pretty much sums it up:

Ginn's touchdown with 10:21 to play in the third quarter, which put the Buckeyes ahead, 21-17, was actually an adjustment off an earlier route. He broke two thigh tackles as soon as he grabbed the ball and was gone.
"It was a slant, which I like, and the most important thing about the whole thing was catching the ball," Ginn said. "Sometimes you get it, sometimes you don't. I caught the ball, went through a little bit of traffic and I felt like I could get away, and I got away."
It was Ginn's first touchdown since the season-opener against Miami. He finished with four catches for 78 yards and has 20 catches for 270 yards this year.
"It's a joy," Ginn said of his score. "It's a relief. Guys can get off my back. A lot of my role this year was to be the decoy, and I took it in stride, and I ran with it. As long as I do what I have to do and other people score and we get the victory, I feel that's a great day for me."
 
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wow, I hadn't seen the pictures yet. Sure the defender should have made the tackle, but why does Ginn get no credit for breaking a tackle against a big defender? Look at this shot right before he breaks free:
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Date: Oct 14, 2005

No. 15 Ohio State came off a tough loss at Penn State last week by returning home and dispatching No. 16 Michigan State 35-24 in a wild Big Ten football game Saturday at Ohio Stadium. OSU rallied behind its defense and the play of quarterback Troy Smith, who threw for three touchdowns and ran for one. (NOTE: This story updated at 5:30 with stats, notes and quotes.)
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Coming off a loss at Penn State, Ohio State returned home to try and salvage its season and stay in the Big Ten race.
And it was anything but easy, but the Buckeyes will live for another day.
No. 15 Ohio State sloughed off four turnovers and a command performance by MSU quarterback Drew Stanton to take a wild 35-24 win over the 16th-ranked Spartans before 105,122 on Homecoming at Ohio Stadium.
Stanton, the nation’s No. 1-rated passer, lived up to his billing. He completed 26 of 36 passes for 340 yards and one touchdown. But he was sacked 12 times.
The Buckeyes (4-2, 2-1) saved their season by rallying for a pair of touchdowns in the final 4:56 after trailing 24-21. Quarterback Troy Smith hit Santonio Holmes for the go-ahead touchdown on a 46-yard pass with 4:56 left. Then, after the defense held, Smith’s 1-yard touchdown plunge with 1:29 left put it away.
“Our kids played hard,” said OSU head coach Jim Tressel. “They just play and they play and they understand that every second is important.”
The Spartans (4-2, 1-2) outgained OSU 456-386 in total yardage and held the ball for nearly 41 minutes. The Buckeyes got a blocked field goal return for a touchdown by Ashton Youboty, but were their own worst enemy with four lost fumbles. Those miscues led to 10 MSU points and, for the second week in a row, the OSU defense did not create a turnover.
“I congratulate Ohio State,” said MSU coach John L. Smith. “They are a tremendous football team. They won the game. It was a hard football game. Offensively the kids (Ohio State) have special talents and (defensively) we had trouble blocking them.
“My guys played their hearts out today. The loss is placed on the coaches for this game and I take full responsibility.”
For OSU, Troy Smith completed 10 of 15 passes for 249 yards and three touchdowns. Although he did lose a fourth-quarter fumble, he rebounded from last week’s loss at Penn State.
“I hope this is the turning point in the season for us,” Smith said. “The guys showed up and played today. The defense especially stood up and without them, it would have been a long game. I give a lot of respect to the team. They were able to stick with the game plan.”
Holmes had five catches for 150 yards with two touchdowns, while Ted Ginn Jr. caught a 57-yard touchdown pass among his four grabs.
Tailback Antonio Pittman had 18 carries for 101 yards.
“I believe we’re fortunate to have a great defense,” Pittman said. “The fumbles gave them great field position, but our defense just kept holding them out. They gave us one last chance and we took advantage of it.”
Sure enough, the Buckeyes got after Stanton. Linebacker Bobby Carpenter notched a career-high four sacks. It did not matter that the defense was on the field for 87 plays compared to 41 for the OSU offense.
“That’s what we work for,” said defensive lineman David Patterson, who had a career-high three sacks. “That’s why (strength coach Allan) Johnson has us run gassers in the summer. I think that really prepares us. Guys are in shape and ready to play. They were an extremely good offense. They had a great scheme and Stanton is the best quarterback we’ve played this year.”
Linebacker A.J. Hawk led the Buckeyes with 19 tackles.
“We knew after the last game, no one wanted to be 3-3,” Hawk said. “We knew it was going to be hard. We didn’t focus on winning the game. We focused on the first play and went from there.”
Safety Donte Whitner, who added 11 tackles, said the game did take a toll on the defense.
“We were very tired,” Whitner said. “There are guys still down there in the locker room. But we had to suck it up. That’s why we condition in the off-season, so we can go long in games like this and play a lot of plays.”
As It Happened
OSU’s second possession ended prematurely as Pittman fumbled after a 14-yard gain down to the MSU 37. The officials initially ruled Pittman down, but upon review by the replay official, MSU’s Michael Bazemore was awarded possession of the fumble at the MSU 37 with 8:35 left in the first quarter.
“I felt as if I was down,” Pittman said. “I know I was down. I couldn’t let that keep me down. I knew I had to come back from that.”
The Spartans drove 47 yards in eight plays with the key play Stanton’s 26-yard pass to Scott. But Stanton was pressured into an incompletion on third-and-5 at the OSU 16. John Goss’ 32-yard field goal put MSU up 3-0 with 6:02 left in the first quarter.
Things went from bad to worse as MSU’s Todd Boleski popped up a short kickoff, which OSU’s Holmes could not handle. The ball skitted back toward the goal line and MSU’s Otis Wiley recovered it at the OSU 4-yard line. The Spartans were backed up by a holding penalty, but got new life when OSU’s Bobby Carpenter was flagged for roughing Stanton after a third-down incompletion.
On first-and-goal at the 3, MSU’s Jehuu Caulcrick powered in over right tackle for the touchdown and a 10-0 lead with 4:34 left in the first quarter.
Ohio State rallied with a five-play, 80-yard touchdown drive. Smith completed a 14-yard pass to Ted Ginn Jr. Then, Pittman had a pair of 7-yard runs, moving the ball to the OSU 49. On first down there, Smith faked an option right, dropped back and threw deep down the left sideline to Holmes. Holmes got behind MSU’s Demond Williams and safety Eric Smith was late coming over. He caught the ball at the 10 and rolled into the end zone for the 51-yard touchdown, cutting the MSU lead to 10-7 with 2:37 left in the first.
“I want to give every bit of respect to the offensive line,” Smith said. “That key right there made the play, to me. Without that protection, without the line holding its strength for that amount of time, you know, Santonio wouldn't have been able to get open.
“But just being disciplined within the play. The week before, we tried to run that play, I didn't get enough depth in my drop, you know, and we emphasized that throughout the week, depth on that, selling that play, and Santonio made a great play on the ball.”
Early in the second quarter, OSU’s A.J. Trapasso uncorked a career-best 76-yard punt to push the Spartans back to their own 16-yard line. But MSU drove 84 yards in 12 plays to extend their lead. Ringer had five carries for 28 yards on the drive, which was capped when Stanton threw down the middle to Scott for a 36-yard touchdown. They completed the pass over OSU’s Ashton Youboty as safety Nate Salley was late converging. MSU led 17-7 with 6:30 left in the first half.
Late in the half, the Buckeyes forced an MSU punt. But Ginn fumbled it and Diego Oquendo recovered it at the OSU 26 with 1:20 left in the half. The Spartans used their final timeout when Stanton was sacked at the OSU 17 with 24 seconds left. He then tried to throw a pass on second-and-12 there, but was stopped by OSU’s Quinn Pitcock for no gain with 19 seconds left and the clock rolling.
Instead of spiking the ball to stop the clock, MSU tried to rush Goss and the field goal unit on for a 34-yard field goal attempt. But the Spartans failed to get their 12th man off the field and allowed OSU’s Salley to block the kick. Youboty scooped it up and, with plenty of blocking help, returned it 72 yards for a key touchdown that closed the MSU lead to 17-14 as the half expired.
Youboty hobbled into the end zone, but the play gave OSU a much-needed boost.
“Two plays before that, I took a shot to the hip,” Youboty said. “It was just hurting a little bit. I think they were just rushing out there and they didn’t have the right personnel and we were able to make the play. It was a 10-point shift. The opportunity came. They made a mistake, and we capitalized.”
Salley said it was an easy block.
“They left one of the most important guys out – their wing, and we took advantage of it,” Salley said. “We had been close a few times before that. When I saw the wing wasn’t there, I knew it would be a good opportunity. I just tried to focus in and get that block. I knew we needed a big play.
“Earlier in the game, we had given up that touchdown. That put some pressure on me.”
MSU coach John L. Smith said it was a mix-up on his sideline that led to the block.
“We were going for the spike (to stop the clock on third down),” Smith said. “We practice the fast field goal. We time it out in practice. We have someone count the guys so there are not 12 or 10 players on the field. We have them line up, and before they go out, I tell them if we’re going for the kick, the fake or a spike and that didn’t happen. When the guys lined up, I heard someone yell, ‘Field goal’ and it wasn’t me. So that comes down to me.”
OSU forced an MSU punt to open the second half, then drove 76 yards in four quick plays to take its first lead. Pittman started it with a 13-yard gain on a draw. Two plays later, on third-and-4 at the OSU 43, Smith threw to Ginn on a simple slant. One MSU defender missed the tackle and Ginn sidestepped a second before escaping and sprinting down the left sideline on the 57-yard touchdown that gave the Buckeyes a 21-17 lead with 10:21 left in the third quarter.
“Two guys tried to hit me and it actually gave me some bounce,” said Ginn, who had not scored since the season opener against Miami (Ohio). “I was a little bit at a standstill and they kind of got me back on the go. When I saw there was nobody ahead of me I was off. It felt great.”
The lead was short lived, though, as MSU moved 80 yards in 11 plays to regain the lead. Stanton was 3 for 3 for 49 yards on the drive. But Teague capped it with bullish runs of 3, 7 and 6 yards for the touchdown to put the Spartans back up 24-21 with 4:53 left in the third quarter.
OSU lost its fourth fumble with 8:52 left in the game, when Bazemore stripped Smith on a scramble attempt and MSU’s Clifton Ryan recovered at the OSU 22. But the defense held and forced a Goss field goal attempt. But Youboty blocked the 37-yard attempt, giving the Buckeyes new life with 7:12 left.
The Buckeyes regained the lead with a five-play, 80-yard scoring march. Smith got it started with a 9-yard keeper. He then threw to Pittman for a 21-yard gain on a backside screen. Then, on first down at the MSU 46, Smith again faked the option right and threw left to Holmes. Holmes caught the ball at the MSU 28, eluded an MSU defender and was gone on the 46-yard touchdown that gave the Buckeyes a 28-24 lead with 4:56 left.
“The main thing I think was our protection unit was great on both of those plays,” said Holmes, who now has four TD catches this year and 16 for his career. “I think the offensive line did a real good job. Troy did a great job getting the ball out there where it's supposed to be and ran a good route and worked for the ball, and like coach said yards after the catch is what's important. That was what was big for us and we scored touchdowns.”
The OSU defense then held as Marcus Green sacked Stanton at the MSU 1. It appeared that Green had forced a fumble that teammate Quinn Pitcock had recovered, but referee Steve Newman ruled Stanton down with 3:01 left.
“Coach (Jim) Heacock called a great defense there and I was able to make a play,” Green said. “I’m just glad we won. It’s good for the team. I’m glad we were able to come out of here with a victory.”
Holmes returned the ensuing punt 26 yards down to the MSU 19 with 2:48 left and Smith’s 1-yard TD run put the game away with 1:29 left.
"It was a great feeling," said OSU guard Rob Sims of when Smith scored the game clinching touchdown. "We were on the sidelines saying, 'We've got to finish. We've got to finish.'
"We thought we would be there at the end and they would be there, too. We just kept fighting and got it done. It felt great."
Game Notes
* Carpenter tied the OSU single-game record with his four sacks, equaling the mark set by Jason Simmons against Washington State in 1991.
* OSU coach Jim Tressel improved to 3-0 all-time against MSU, while Spartans coach John L. Smith is now 0-3 against Ohio State.
* OSU now leads the all-time series 24-12, including 13-7 in Columbus. OSU has won four in a row and nine of the last 11.
* OSU is now 18-7 against ranked teams under Tressel, including 2-2 this season.
* The Buckeyes are now 10-2 off regular season losses under Tressel, including 5-1 in such games at home.
* OSU is now 29-4 at home under Tressel.
* Freshman Alex Boone made his first career start at right tackle in place of the injured Kirk Barton, who did not dress.
* OSU cornerback Tyler Everett left the game in the first half and was sent to OSU Medical Center. It was unclear what his injury was or how severe it might be. Freshman Malcolm Jenkins replaced him and Brandon Mitchell worked in as the nickel back.
* Ohio State travels to Indiana next Saturday. The game is set for noon Eastern time (11 a.m. in Bloomington). It will be televised by ESPN-Plus and may also be seen in some areas on either ESPN or ESPN2.
As of Friday, OSU still had 400 tickets available for the Indiana game.
“We still have some pretty good seats left for next week,” said OSU associate athletic director Richelle Simonson, who noted the university initially received 15,000 tickets for the game in Bloomington. “Our fans can purchase them on line at www.hangonsloopy.com or by calling the ticket office (614/292-2624 or 1-800 GO BUCKS).”
Tickets, which are $46 each, also can be purchased at the Athletics Ticket Office in the Jerome Schottenstein Center.
Indiana lost 37-21 at Iowa Saturday to fall to 4-2 overall and 1-2 in Big Ten play.
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1 pass - screen to Ginn (2 wr set)
2 pass - deep pass to holmes (2 wr)
3 pass - smash route to Ginn (3 wr, gonzo double covered)
4 pass - deep bomb TD to holmes (sorry Mili, that wasn't a broken tackle)
5 pass att - Smith rolls left, looks for Pittman who stops along sideline, fails to notice upfield an open Ginn
6th pass att - Smith steps up in pocke, and throws a good touch throw to Teddy, who doesn't come back to the ball at all, resulting in an incompletion that could have been caught easilythis ball was poorly thorwn, late short and behind him. blame ginn if you want...i have no idea what the depth of the route was supposed to be. personally my assumption was it was poorly thrown its hard to adjust to a hard thrown ball if its 5-8 short.
7th pass att - ugly ugly throw at gonzo's feet
8th pass play - well covered, almost scrambled for 1st downopen wide receivers...but if he makes it everyone says great play.
9th pass - smash route to Holmes (2 wr)
10th pass - Ginn TD, good timing throw, threw it when Ginn wasn't open yet but delivered it before the other defender could close the gap (3 wr, gonzo ran short route on that side)... that was a good intermediate route, 10-12 yds if he is tackled right there (not 5 like Danielson kept kept yelling)yes good intermediate route but primary receiver.
11th pass play - big backside pressure from DE as he cocks arm, steps up and picks up 7 yds
(hamby false start negates that next play and makes 2nd and 8)
12th pass play - pressured, scrambles for 27, holding penalty (now 2nd and nearly 20)if that hold doesnt happen it doesnt go for 27
13th pass - screen to Ginn (on WR over there, trying to get him space), Hamby runs over to screen the play, minimal gain
14th pass - throws behind Gonzo over the middle well short of the 1st down
15th pass - progresses thru reads, comes back and hits Holmes over the middle for 11 yds and a 1st down i would say stands in and wiats for play to develop.
16th pass play - Smith had no options (danielson stated it as well), scrambled for 8 of 15 needed (punt time)
17 pass play - quick hit to Holmes off of his hands
18 pass play - looked like a designed draw, fumbles the ball (ugly)
(great QB keeper dragging the pile for a 1st down... including this b/c he rarely ran designed runs, but this one was a great individual effort)
19 pass - beautiful screen to PIttman
20 pass - nice deep pass to Holmes, who then broke a foot tackle and scored a TD

ps its odd you mention hamby so much
 
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By RUSTY MILLER, AP Sports Writer
October 15, 2005

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) -- Ohio State came away with a much-needed win -- with some help from Michigan State.

Troy Smith threw three long touchdown passes and Ashton Youboty returned a blocked field-goal attempt 72 yards for a score on the final play of the first half as the 15th-ranked Buckeyes came back to beat the 16th-ranked Spartans 35-24 Saturday.
``This was a huge victory,'' Smith said. ``I hope this win turns around our season.''

The Buckeyes (4-2, 2-1 Big Ten) were in dire need of a victory following a loss to No. 8 Penn State last week.


The game changed right before halftime on an ill-advised field goal try by the Spartans.

Michigan State (4-2, 1-2) led 17-7 with 24 seconds remaining in the half. Faced with a second-and-12 at Ohio State's 17 with no timeouts, Spartans quarterback Drew Stanton was tackled for no gain by lineman Quinn Pitcock.

Rather than having Stanton spike the ball to stop the clock on third down, Michigan State's coaches hustled the field goal unit onto the field. In the chaos, offensive players were scrambling to the sideline while the kick unit was rushing to set up for a 35-yard attempt. The Spartans snapped the ball with only 10 players on the field -- and with no one blocking on the left side because they thought Stanton was going to spike the ball.

Ohio State's Nate Salley broke through that side to block the kick, which was picked up by Youboty and returned as time expired to cut the lead to 17-14.

``It was a mess -- a total mess,'' Michigan State coach John L. Smith said. ``That's a coaching blunder.''

The play allowed the Buckeyes to stay close in a game in which they were extremely ineffective on offense. They didn't even run a play in Michigan State territory until just over 5 minutes remained.

``This loss today goes to the coaches,'' John L. Smith said. ``It should say Ohio State won the game but the loss goes to the coaches.''

Ohio State's first play in Michigan State territory was Smith's 46-yard touchdown pass to Santonio Holmes that gave the Buckeyes the lead for good with 4:56 left. Holmes caught the short pass, then shed a tackle by cornerback Jaren Hayes before racing down the left sideline and diving into the end zone.

``Troy did a great job of getting the ball out there where it's supposed to be,'' said Holmes, who finished with five catches for 150 yards to make up for three fumbles on returns. ``I ran a good route and worked for the ball. Yards after the catch were big for us.''

Ohio State's defense set a school record by sacking Stanton 12 times for 58 yards in losses. Bobby Carpenter led the way with four sacks and 27 yards in losses, with David Patterson adding three sacks. All-American linebacker A.J. Hawk finished with 19 tackles.

``Our defense just kept coming after them,'' coach Jim Tressel said.
Ohio State's Smith, booed several times by a crowd of 105,122 because of the offense's struggles, also hit Holmes on a 51-yard scoring pass and Ted Ginn Jr. on a 57-yard TD pass. Smith, who was 10-of-15 for 249 yards, secured the win with a 1-yard TD run with 1:39 left.

The defense helped set up that score when Stanton was sacked twice deep in Michigan State territory and the Spartans (4-2, 1-2) were forced to punt. Holmes returned the punt 22 yards to the MSU 19. Three plays later Smith added the clinching score.

The Buckeyes won despite losing four of their six fumbles -- three in their own territory. But Michigan State was able to turn those turnovers into only seven points.

Then there was the final play before halftime.

``There were guys running on, guys running off and then guys realizing they weren't supposed to be out there,'' Michigan State defensive back Eric Smith said. ``It was chaos.''

Youboty said he could see that the Spartans were in disarray.

``I don't think they had the right personnel in the game,'' he said. ``We good advantage of it. It's about time I made a big play.''

Ohio State's defense, although giving up yardage in bunches to Stanton, continually came up with big plays. With Michigan State ahead 24-21 and just under 9 minutes left, Troy Smith was hit by MSU's Michael Bazemore and fumbled the ball away at his own 22, Clifton Ryan recovering for the Spartans.

But Michigan State, which had 456 total yards, gained just three yards on three plays before John Goss' 37-yard field goal attempt was blocked by Youboty.

Stanton, leading the nation in pass efficiency, completed 26-of-36 passes for 340 yards and a touchdown.

``It's difficult,'' he said. ``These important games come down to one or two huge plays.''

The Buckeyes defense came up big when needed. The Spartans finished with 27 first downs and 456 total yards, but mustered just four first downs and 70 yards in the fourth quarter.

``Any loss is disappointing, but when you're playing for a conference championship ... well, it's over now,'' Michigan State linebacker David Herron said. His coach added, ``We had the opportunities. It's a shame we gave it back.''
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Michigan State's Kyle Cook (74) and Mike Gyetvai (66) help quarterback Drew Stanton after Stanton was sacked at the last play of the game against Ohio State, Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio. Ohio State beat Michigan State 35-24.

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Ohio State head coach Jim Tressel, right, talks to quarterback Troy Smith (10) during the third quarter against Michigan State Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at the Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio.
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Trainers check on Ohio State's Tyler Everett (6) after he got injured during the second quarter against Michigan State Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at the Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio. Everett appeared to jam his neck and head while making helmet-to-helmet contact with a Michigan State player. He lay face down and motionless for a few minutes before two trainers helped him off the field.
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Ohio State's Santonio Holmes (4) runs across the end zone to score on a 51-yard pass play against Michigan State during the first quarter Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio.

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Ohio State's Ashton Youboty (26) blocks a field goal attempt by Michigan State's John Goss (11) during the second quarter Saturday, Oct. 15, 2005 at Ohio Stadium in Columbus, Ohio. Youboty recovered the kick and ran it back for a touchdown to close out the first half.

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ps its odd you mention hamby so much
***edit*** I want to see the kid do well, but every game he seems to be doing something wrong. If you want to throw him the ball more in a game where we had the ball for only 19 minutes, then I guess we aren't gonna see eye to eye. he got hurt midway thru too, and with our talented wideouts I wonder if some of the time he stayed in to help buy time for Smith. Nobody can cover our wideouts for 4-5 seconds.
this ball was poorly thorwn, late short and behind him. blame ginn if you want...i have no idea what the depth of the route was supposed to be. personally my assumption was it was poorly thrown its hard to adjust to a hard thrown ball if its 5-8 short.
were you at the game too? The tv didn't really show teddy until the last second when he tried to catch it. Live, you could tell that Teddy wasn't at a full sprint down field and was very capable of coming back. he definitely could have made that catch.
yes good intermediate route but primary receiver.
this is what I don't get about our fanbase. Do you not like 10 yard completions, especially ones that Ginn breaks a tackle and goes for a TD? Who cares if it was his primary receiver, it was a good play.
if that hold doesnt happen it doesnt go for 27
true, but the hold was from the backside. he may have been sacked, but his vision when scrambling was not related to the hold. on the play before he stepped up with backside pressure and gained 8 yards, no reason he couldn't have done it again this time. he felt the pressure much better today.
15th pass - progresses thru reads, comes back and hits Holmes over the middle for 11 yds and a 1st down i would say stands in and wiats for play to develop.
what woudl you rather him do? tuck it and run? Throw it to his primary receiver who was covered? If chad henne or drew stanton waits, it's good poise and patience. When Troy Smith waits, it's indecision and a poor play that luckily goes for a first down.

Edit: No player bashing.

--Nutty
 
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and hamby in the flats is far from a guarantee for a first down. sorry nutty/otis, I was out of line. i'm very disappointed with hamby's play, but I really wish he would go out and prove me wrong. nothing would make me happier (well, there are probably a few things).
 
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Its funny you say things about his deep throws but nothing about his short passes.
He is a better deep passer than JZ , also gives you the scramble but if he has to read a coverage hang it up. A spread offense is supposed to spread the ball around and make everyone a threat. The only checkdown TS knows is the TE, everyone gave JZ **** for going threw his progressions and then throwing it away to save a sack. For heaven sakes don't speak the truth about our team or be critical about whats happening, when JZ got treated alot different then TS does. This is by the coaches and the fans.
 
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Its funny you say things about his deep throws but nothing about his short passes.
He is a better deep passer than JZ , also gives you the scramble but if he has to read a coverage hang it up. A spread offense is supposed to spread the ball around and make everyone a threat. The only checkdown TS knows is the TE, everyone gave JZ **** for going threw his progressions and then throwing it away to save a sack. For heaven sakes don't speak the truth about our team or be critical about whats happening, when JZ got treated alot different then TS does. This is by the coaches and the fans.
Actually I talked about his deep throws, his medium throws and his short ones. I talked about every pass he made. And I admitted that Zwick reads and progresses better, so thanks for trying to convince me of a point I had already conceded.

We aren't a spread offense anymore, btw, and that was a very effective change. Not just in this game, but in other games we had some success running out of power formations.

As for the last part, the entire media, most of the Horseshoe, and many on this board do not like Smith's play at QB. At some point the cliche "Troy gets off much easier for his mistakes than Zwick does" just isn't true anymore. As for the coaches treating TS differently than JZ, I seem to remember them sticking with Zwick through a long string of bad games last year (Marshall 2nd half, NC state, NW was alright, wisconsin, iowa) without any reps for Smith.
 
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