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Dan Marino.
If you cast your vote, Marino may take Elway for second.
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Dan Marino.
Exactly why I picked Dan Marino. Without Dan the Dolphins would have only had mediocre to bad teams, the 49ers still would have been good. Put Dan on that 49ers team or the Cowboys of the 90's with their running games and defense and there would never be any debate over the greatest of all time!
Marino had both Clayton and Duper for 7 years, but only three productive seasons from both of them (1000+ season benchmark). During that time, he never had a 1000 rusher. He had only 1 1000 yard rusher in his career- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 1996 (Clayton and Duper long gone). Marino's best cast (1984 Super Bowl season):
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Montana is another story, with the likes of Clark, Rice (the only NFL player no one argues as the greatest at his position of all time), Craig, Wersching, Jones, Taylor, Solomon, etc. Is this really an argument of supporting cast? Not to mention the defense the 49ers had. Lott, Hanks Griffin, Hardman, Haley, Board, Dean, Stover. From my years playing, I can tell you that the people around you make you better. A great LB corps is usless without a good D-Line (i.e. 2005 OSU). Is Joe Montana up there? Sure, he had to get the ball to those boys, but I'd say having Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as your best RB and Mark Clayton as your best receiver during the span of your long career keeps your stats a little weighted down. I take Marino.
How many of the players name above were on Montana's first SB win??
Ever heard of a running back by the name of Bill Ring? Joe had great players on that great run SF had but not his first win.
I'm a skins fan, and it doesn't take long for me to rationalize that the bengals haven't won a superbowl. nice try tho tibor.
Isn't this a discussion of who is the greatest NFL QB of all time? If you'd like, you can go back to the main forum and start a thread about QBs who you think would trade their records for a ring. If you need help, buddy, let me know. Sometimes starting those threads is kind of confusing. Replying is cake though!MR INCR.- You may find it interesting that Marino would trade all of those records for just 1 of Joe's rings! The name of the game is winning after all! When it came to crunch time in the playoffs Joe threw TD passes while Marino threw interceptions. As for the roster well you might want to check that firtst one against a few of Dan's.
I will NEVER forget Marino throwing like his 5th interception in his last playoff game. Then he gave the usual scowl at a fellow Dolphin because as we all know NONE of them could have been Dan's fault.......
Even in college Joe won a NC while Marino did not.