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3yardsandacloud
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Thank you, Oliver Stone.
Oh, there is still room for argument. Is that an official OSU helmet with the SAME stickers used during a game? Only the man on the grassy knoll can answer that question ... and I'm am NOT going to CanesTimes to ask him!
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Well, let's look at a game helmet, shall we?
At the back base of his helmet, compare the black stripe to the leaves next to it...not even close, clearly green. The stripes value is R=1C G=1C B=1E which show it to be black (or in this case a very dark grey because of the screen capture) while the leaves' value vary widely buy always have a "G" (value) significantly above the "R" (red) and "B" (blue) values, indicating shades of green.
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3yardsandacloud
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Inconclusive Mili. I fully agree with the stipulation that we don't know until we KNOW we are looking at a helmet from game conditions. While your picture has some elements that support your argument we need to look at something with a higher resolution AND preferably something that wasn't originally rendered by a TV camera (read, we need a photo). Without getting into a long discussion, the leaves on your photo don't have enough definition OR resolution to determine their true color. I CAN find Black values that are very close to what I see on the stripe (within 5%).
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OK, I just asked eight people here at work what color the leaves are. Six said they're green, one said they look grey (and she admits to not being able to differentiate between dark colors and shades of black), and one says they look grey in the picture but he knows they're green because he has seen the helmet in person (his fraternity brother took him to a practice a few years back and got the whole facility tour). Not one said they're black.
Check out this photo from the Buckeye Leaves page at the OSU.edu site:
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fourteenandoh
My swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair.
i decided the best way to find out is talk to a player so i just got off the phone with a friend of mine who was on the 2002 NC winning team and he says they are dark green. his helmet is in his room. i'm sure this won't settle it once and for all but it's good enough for me.
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well that's nice, but I have yet to see a definitive pic that makes them look green. I think they are dark green, but its hard to tell that they aren't black instead.
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I hate using this as an example, but if you look at scUM's jerseys and helmets on TV, they look almost black, but under bright light conditions their true color (no, not "shit" ) comes out, which is a dark blue:
Bottom line is that darker colors can, and many times do, look black or almost black when in fact they aren't black. And the dark green on the leaf stickers can indeed fade to black after a long time (they have on my car).
) comes out, which is a dark blue:
Bottom line is that darker colors can, and many times do, look black or almost black when in fact they aren't black. And the dark green on the leaf stickers can indeed fade to black after a long time (they have on my car).
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Oh! My eyes! My eyes!
What the fuck is up with Michigan's S&C staff, really?
Hey, why don't you guys line up and stretch if you feel like it. Except you, Breaston. Since you're like ... never injured or anything ... you don't need to stretch if you don't want to.
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Check out my pic on page two or three unless you don't think those are the stickers the team uses but they are labeled as the "Authentic" helmet stickers.
I do agree that the photos provided are inconclusive.
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3yardsandacloud
Administrator Emeritus
I'm not really saying they aren't green (or black) Mili. I'm just saying the picture you provided is inconclusive. Here's the section in question enlarged to 800%. Ask people what color they see ...
Further, we KNOW the inside of the leaves are white ... what do you see?
How about the dark part of the leaf compared to the stripe? Looks pretty close huh? And the only way to be sure is to compare the leaf to something we KNOW is black ... the stripe.
What I'm saying is there isn't enough pixel information in this graphic to make a correct call. The white part of the leaves are not white because 2 different colors are competing for limited pixel space ... same with the black/green part of the leaf. The only part of this picture that supports green over black is the slight greenish 'cast' around the leaves ... and that could come from a variety of sources ... lighting, TV camera, etc. etc.
If players (current or former) are saying the leaves are green, then I will trust their opinion. Of course, isn't Hayn a former player? Time to get that guy on the grassy knoll. :)
EDIT: I hope you get to take some pics after our victory vs Michigan this season. That will end the debate (if it hasn't already been decided), but just being there will be even better.
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hawaiianbuckeye
Where's YOUR Gold Pants?
Well, let's look at a game helmet, shall we?
At the back base of his helmet, compare the black stripe to the leaves next to it...not even close, clearly green. The stripes value is R=1C G=1C B=1E which show it to be black (or in this case a very dark grey because of the screen capture) while the leaves' value vary widely buy always have a "G" (value) significantly above the "R" (red) and "B" (blue) values, indicating shades of green.
MILI YOU AND ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT THINKS THEY ARE GREEN ARE ON CRACK! SERIOUSLY! ASK A PLAYER WHAT COLOR THEY ARE! THE ONE IN YOUR SIG IS GREEEN, YES! THE ONES IN THE OLD PICTURE '70'S ARE GREEN, YES! THE ONES IN YOUR ABOVE SCREEN CAPTURE ARE BLACK! IN THE PHOTO I PROVIDED IF YOU CAN'T SEE THEY ARE BLACK JUST LIKE THE STRIPE THEN, YOUR GETTING RIPPED OFF AT THE EYE DOCTOR'S OFFICE! I THINK I'VE SEEN ENOUGH 'GAME' HELMETS UP CLOSE TO SEE THAT THEY ARE BLACK! AND THE ONE ON YOUR CAR IS BLACK!
HAYN
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