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Helmet Stickers / Buckeye Leaves (all merged)

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hawaiianbuckeye said:
MILI YOU AND ANYONE ON THIS BOARD THAT THINKS THEY ARE GREEN ARE ON CRACK! SERIOUSLY! ASK A PLAYER WHAT COLOR THEY ARE! THE ONE IN YOUR SIG IS GREEEN, YES! THE ONES IN THE OLD PICTURE '70'S ARE GREEN, YES! THE ONES IN YOUR ABOVE SCREEN CAPTURE ARE BLACK! IN THE PHOTO I PROVIDED IF YOU CAN'T SEE THEY ARE BLACK JUST LIKE THE STRIPE THEN, YOUR GETTING RIPPED OFF AT THE EYE DOCTOR'S OFFICE! I THINK I'VE SEEN ENOUGH 'GAME' HELMETS UP CLOSE TO SEE THAT THEY ARE BLACK! AND THE ONE ON YOUR CAR IS BLACK!

HAYN
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Hayn, I think the problem here is your reluctance to assert yourself. No need to be shy; you're among friends!

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3yardsandacloud said:
The ones show from the link hayn provided are (no doubt at all) black. This assumes that the coachtressel.com site is providing a picture of a standard Buckeye helmet.

Here's the picture. If you agree that the stripe on the helmet is black, then the buckeye leaf is black as well. If you think the stripe is green, then we need to party sometime!

The stripe lists (where the finger points) the 4 Color components as:
C=44%, M=48%, Y=47% and K=98%

The leaf lists (where the finger points) the 4 Color components as:
C=45%, M=48%, Y=47% and K=97%

I used the lightest portion of both the stripe and leaf so that shadowing effects would be limited and not skew the results towards black. Both formulations of color are as near identical as could be expected. Finally, the colors are listed as C (cyan), M (magenta), Y (yellow), and K (black). The value for black is almost 100% ... a dead give a way that the color could ONLY be black. Any amounts of C, M or Y added to the formulation would only make the black "richer" ... in essence, darker.
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ABSOLUTELY!!! ^^^and further more here is a color profile from AJ's Helmet in the BRIGHT ARIZONA SUN!

Leaf C=81% M=61% Y=68% K=82%
Stripe C=76% M=68% Y=66% K=87%

So if you know anything about color profiles then you can come to the following conclusion:

according to my "friend" Mili and some other crack pots on BP we now have a GREEN STRIPE on our helmets. HELL! We better scrap those new jerseys now since the GREEN stripe on the helmet won't match the stripe on the jersey and pants!

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HAYN
 
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jwinslow said:
you do have that in the picture, but you used a sample from the shade. What is the color reading of that fully lit leaf that looks kinda green?
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It would be similar to the BLACK stripe! But since your falling into the propaganda setforth by Mili I'll say this:

there's not enough of the GREEN STRIPE in the sun to take a sample, but I will look for another photo to find the GREEN STRIPE and GREEN LEAF for you. So, I guess you think we have a GREEN STRIPE too?
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HAYN
 
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nobody but you is talking about stripes as being green. :p There's a reason I said 'leaf' :wink:

I'm asking what the color reading is for the fully lit buckeye sticker (second one down from the right column... ignoring the partial stickers)
 
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3yardsandacloud said:
The ones show from the link hayn provided are (no doubt at all) black. This assumes that the coachtressel.com site is providing a picture of a standard Buckeye helmet.

Here's the picture. If you agree that the stripe on the helmet is black, then the buckeye leaf is black as well. If you think the stripe is green, then we need to party sometime!

The stripe lists (where the finger points) the 4 Color components as:
C=44%, M=48%, Y=47% and K=98%

The leaf lists (where the finger points) the 4 Color components as:
C=45%, M=48%, Y=47% and K=97%

I used the lightest portion of both the stripe and leaf so that shadowing effects would be limited and not skew the results towards black. Both formulations of color are as near identical as could be expected. Finally, the colors are listed as C (cyan), M (magenta), Y (yellow), and K (black). The value for black is almost 100% ... a dead give a way that the color could ONLY be black. Any amounts of C, M or Y added to the formulation would only make the black "richer" ... in essence, darker.
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Perhaps the leaves are simply metameric
 
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jwinslow said:
nobody but you is talking about stripes as being green. :p There's a reason I said 'leaf' :wink:

I'm asking what the color reading is for the fully lit buckeye sticker (second one down from the right column... ignoring the partial stickers)
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I know what you meant and I know you know color profiles...I'm was "playing the game". So, if you follow Mili's and his crack pipe friends' theory, we have GREEN STRIPES! Here is a shot of ROY HALL from the MICHIGAN GAME DIRECTLY LIT UP BY THE SUN!

Leaf C=77 M=61 Y=73 K=83
Stripe C=72 M=64 Y=70 K=86

Stop the Presses! We have GREEN STRIPES on the HELMETS! Don't buy that new authentic jersey just yet!

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HAYN
 
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buckeye247 said:
The ones that we can purchase are green, the ones they use on their helmets are made differently and are black, you cant put a regular sticker on a helmet and expect it to look like they do the end of the season.
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I can't believe how misinformed everyone has become. Yes, you used to be able to only buy the green ones (like in Mili's Signature). However, you can buy the BLACK ones (AUTHENTIC) now in the stores. I however disagree with that practice, but oh well.

HAYN
 
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I must admit this has been a fascinating too and fro thread.

Mili - the fact that your stickers started out green and now look black is easily understood. The pigment giving the green tone to the printed sticker sold to fans is likely one that bleaches out over time in the hot sun. The underlying black toner (most likely carbon black) stays largely unfazed. Result green to black shift.

Though the leaves give seemingly close CMYK readings on the helmet shots with similar - though not identical illumination - there are minor differences between the black stripe and the leaves. If the leaves are green though they must be an extremely dark-shade green. And, when you make a green very, very dark it becomes - well, black, though with a barely discernible shift to the green hued side.

It does seem strange that the game stickers are black, but honestly, that is what the CMYK data supports most closely. And, all earlier joking about metamerism aside, that is a professional opinion. Perhaps they do it in that shade to maximize contrast with the silver grey of the helmet.

To really see if these were truly different you would have to make a control print of the color concentrate used for the black stripe versus the apparently black color used to print the leaves. And then get the two samples measured on something like a Macbeth color reader.
 
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"I see a green leaf and I want it painted black
No colors anymore I want them to turn black"

I think Keith Richards was looking for some green leaves in that palm tree he fell from in Fiji. :tongue2:
 
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