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Houston Rockets (2x NBA Champions)

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jwinslow said:
I agree their titles are legit. However, it's kind of like someone winning a women's tennis title when Henin-Hardenne is hurt. Sure its legit, but it doesn't feel as impressive.
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Jdub - I hope you're impressed with this year's Wimbledon winner. A healthy JHH just double-faulted on match point, losing to #76 Danilidou from Greece in the 1st round.
 
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We will never know if the Bulls would have won 7 or 8 titles in the 1990s if Jordan had played both of those seasons. Its too bad he had to deal with his gambling problems and debts for those two years, otherwise we would know.

Personally, I believe Houston would have won the title in 1995....I don't know about 1994....maybe. As some have already mentioned, the Bulls did not have an answer for a big man like Olajuwon, something they never faced in their 6 NBA titles. Not to discredit what Jordan and the Bulls did in the 1990s, but I would guess they would have only 1-2 titles if they had faced teams like the Lakers and Celtics of the previous decade that had both outside scorers and dominant big men.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
yet some how the great Olajuwon could only win titles in the years without Jordan. Yep, no answer :roll2:
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This argument would only hold water if Houston had made it to the finals and lost to the Jordan-lead Bulls in other years, which of course never happened.

It takes more than one person to win an NBA championship...heck it wasn't until his 7th year in the league that Jordan won his first title. You have to build a team around a dominant player; Houston didn't have all of the components in the other years like they did in 1994 and 1995.

The fact is that the Bulls never faced a dominant big man in their 6 NBA finals. This doesn't diminish their accomplishment, just as Houston's shouldn't be diminished either because they didn't face Jordan.

Who would have won between the Bull and Rockets in those years is pure speculation. To suggest a definite outcome is ludicrious. For example, those who claim as fact that the Bulls would have won 8 straight titles if not for Jordan's retirement are fooling themselves. How do we even know the Bulls would have won 4? Jordan could have suffered a career-ending injury if he had played the 1993-1994 season.

This whole discussion is just speculation...which can be a lot of fun, but is ultimately meaningless.
 
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buckeyegrad: "I would guess they would have only 1-2 titles if they had faced teams like the Lakers and Celtics of the previous decade that had both outside scorers and dominant big men."

More like 0 Titles. No team in the 90's could ever match-up with any of the 80's Champions. Be it the Lakers, Celtics, Sixers, or Pistons. Too much depth, & too much firepower.
 
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bb: "Are you guys drinking the same Kool-aid, or sharing the same crack-pipe?"

C'mon, bb - take those red-colored glasses off. Before the NBA Expanded, those teams were unbeatable powerhouses. Just look at the rosters. No team from the 90's (even the Bulls) could compare with that. Remember, Jordan & Pippen Bulls teams went up against these teams & regularly got bounced.

1986 Celtics: Bird, McHale, Parish, DJ, & Ainge.
Bench: Scott Wedman, Bill Walton, Jerry Sichting, Rick Carlisle, & Sam Vincent.

SEVEN guys on that team made an All-Star team at one point during their career (37 All-Star games in total). As far as awards go, a total of 4 MVPs, 3 Sixth Men of the Year, 12 All-NBA 1st Teams, 4 All-NBA 2nd teams, 1 Rookie of the Year, and FOUR Hall of Famers.

1987 Lakers: Magic, Worthy, Byron Scott, Abdul-Jabbar, & Michael Cooper.
Bench: A.C.Green, Rambis, & Mychial Thompson.

There are four players on that team that were the # 1 overall pick in the NBA Draft. Think about that. And oh yeah, as a team they shot 52% from the floor.

1983 Sixers: Moses, Dr. J, Andrew Toney (the Boston Strangler), Mo Cheeks, & Bobby Jones.

The Bulls don't have anything to compare with those teams.

In 1986, the Sixers got bounced in the first round with a roster of Moses, Dr. J, Charles Barkley, Cheeks, Jones, & McAdoo. That's how stiff the competition was back then. That team would mop up the rest of the league if it were in the 90's.
 
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BB73 said:
Sloop and buckeyegrad,

Are you guys drinking the same Kool-aid, or sharing the same crack-pipe?
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What exactly are you implying??

Jordan may have been the most talented, b-ball player of all-time, but that does not mean he and the Bulls could stack-up against two of the most talented, if not the two most talented teams of all-time.

Again, the Bulls of the 1990s never beat a team with a dominant big man at the talent level of Kareem or Parish during the mid-80s in the finals.
 
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