Immunizations/Vaccinations

[muffler dragon]

That's incorrect. While a newborn does not yet have a mature immune system, they are protected by the antibodies they receive through the placenta before birth and through their mother's breastmilk after birth. So immunization of newborns against diphtheria, tetanus, hepatitis, pertussis (whooping cough), polio, measles, rubella (German measles), mumps, and hemophilus influenza b holds tremendous value.

I miswrote again. I meant to say that they do not produce antibodies. I am aware of what is gained from in utero and breast milk. However, in our case, my son breastfed for a month before it was determined that he had "breast milk jaundice" and a blood type incompatibility with my wife. Thus, he is on formula and won't have an exterior source of antibodies continually going into his system.

I do understand what you have written Brewtus.

 

[shetuck]

At a time when fire is raging through the theater, is a decision whether or not to leave the building "worthy of discussion?" That's how I see this whole conversation. It's dangerous, and it bothers the hell out of me.

C'mon Max... that's a tad hyperbolic.

What fire are you referring to?

Why is this conversation dangerous? Who is being putting in danger?

I'd venture a guess that what bothers the hell out of you is MD's persistence.

 

[shetuck]

... I don't get the flu vaccine ever. Why? Because in doing so, my body doesn't keep up with the flu. Is that different than polio? I don't know... maybe.. maybe not... But.. I do know that failing to be vacinated is not an assurance the particular malady is eminent.

Is that BKB, Esquire or BKB, MD speaking?

This is getting confusing. Not only multiple personalities, but now we find out there are multiple titles for each personality! Sheesh!

Is there like a nucleic BKB that can perhaps serve as a single-point of contact?

:atom:

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Is that BKB, Esquire or BKB, MD speaking?

This is getting confusing. Not only multiple personalities, but now we find out there are multiple titles for each personality! Sheesh!

Is there like a nucleic BKB that can perhaps serve as a single-point of contact?

:atom:

Dr. BKB, if you please.

 

[shetuck]

Dr. BKB, if you please.

If you please what, Dr.?

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

If you please what, Dr.?

Please?

 

[Brewtus]

I miswrote again. I meant to say that they do not produce antibodies. I am aware of what is gained from in utero and breast milk. However, in our case, my son breastfed for a month before it was determined that he had "breast milk jaundice" and a blood type incompatibility with my wife. Thus, he is on formula and won't have an exterior source of antibodies continually going into his system.

I do understand what you have written Brewtus.

Very well. Obviously you've done your homework and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But if your infant son had Breast Milk Jaundice, he didn't need to stop breastfeeding (obviously other factors may have been involved that I'm not aware of). But I do know a bit about elevated bilirubin levels as I have Gilbert's syndrome.

 

[shetuck]

Please?

Sorry. My lif gifs me troufle sometimes.

 

[methomps]

The American Medical Association and the Center for Disease Control have taken credit for eradicating diseases in the United States when in fact; they were on their way out because of previously stated reasons. Small pox is often referred to as the ?great success story? and yet the vaccine had very little to do with eradication. Only 10% of the world?s population received the vaccine. In a June 19-20, 2002 meeting in Atlanta Georgia after 911 when the government was debating to bring back the small pox vaccine, the Advisory Committee on Immunizations Practice said, ?Small pox would have died out on its own due to improved sanitation, improved water supply and improved nutrition.?

Aside from the fact that the only place I can find this quote is anti-vaccine websites (none of which I can see have more context to it), this quote from the ACIP suggests otherwise:

The primary strategy to control a smallpox outbreak and interrupt disease transmission is surveillance and containment, which includes isolation of smallpox cases and vaccination of persons at risk for contracting smallpox. This strategy involves identification of infected persons through intensive surveillance, isolation of smallpox patients to prevent further transmission, vaccination of household contacts and other close contacts of infected persons (i.e., primary contacts), and vaccination of close contacts of the primary contact (i.e., a secondary contact who would be exposed if disease developed in the primary contact). This strategy was instrumental in the eradication of smallpox as a naturally occurring disease, including in areas that had low vaccination coverage (4).

Recommendations for Using Smallpox Vaccine in a Pre-Event Vaccination Program: Supplemental Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the Healthcare Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC)


The key to smallpox control was isolation. It was a human-to-human disease. That's why it broke out in waves. It exploded in a population, ran its course, and then died out.

Maybe the ACIP really did say that small pox would've died out on its own. But even if they did, did they mean it would've died out as quickly as it has? Or would it have died out decades later? Where is the support for this proposition?

 

[muffler dragon]

Very well. Obviously you've done your homework and I didn't mean to imply otherwise.

I didn't read any such implication. You brought up good information.

But if your infant son had Breast Milk Jaundice, he didn't need to stop breastfeeding (obviously other factors may have been involved that I'm not aware of). But I do know a bit about elevated bilirubin levels as I have Gilbert's syndrome.

I'm not familiar with Gilbert's syndrome. The experience went like this:

Born @ 8 lbs 14 oz.
At one month of age 8 lbs 10 oz.
Still had yellow coloring.
And was dehydrated.

Now, the key points that I normally look at are: eating, pooping, good alertness, sleeping well, etc. It had been over five years since I had really spent quality time with a newborn so his yellowness was not something I noticed much. He had a bilirubin of 13.3. The concern that took us to the emergency room after his 1 month visit was his potassium level. Long story short, as I understand it, the blood incompatibility and breast milk jaundice put the kabosh on the breast-feeding. My wife is O+ and my son is A-.

He initially gained six ounces of weight on lactose-free formula, and has averaged almost a pound and a half per 7-8 days since. He's getting fat, and it's good.

On your point regarding breast-milk, we were told that he might be able to go back to breast milk, but we made the decision to stick with what was working well.

 

[muffler dragon]

Aside from the fact that the only place I can find this quote is anti-vaccine websites (none of which I can see have more context to it), this quote from the ACIP suggests otherwise:

I'm not privy to the primary source material. Thus, I don't know.

Recommendations for Using Smallpox Vaccine in a Pre-Event Vaccination Program: Supplemental Recommendations of the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) and the Healthcare Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC)


The key to smallpox control was isolation. It was a human-to-human disease. That's why it broke out in waves. It exploded in a population, ran its course, and then died out.

Maybe the ACIP really did say that small pox would've died out on its own. But even if they did, did they mean it would've died out as quickly as it has? Or would it have died out decades later? Where is the support for this proposition?

I don't have answers to the questions. Sorry.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

Have you considered merely delaying the vaccinations until the child is older and (presumably) it's immune system is stronger?

My sister is against immunizations for a lot of the same reasons you've listed, especially when she was unable to breastfeed. Almost every doctor she went to chastised her for it and she eventually relented, having the vaccines administered at a somewhat later age than normal.

 

[Gatorubet]

Then either argue a position without the personal jabs, or ignore the thread...Fuckface.

FIFY

 

[Gatorubet]

Very well. Obviously you've done your homework and I didn't mean to imply otherwise. But if your infant son had Breast Milk Jaundice, he didn't need to stop breastfeeding (obviously other factors may have been involved that I'm not aware of). But I do know a bit about elevated bilirubin levels as I have Gilbert's syndrome.

So...you're not feeling any less sour?

 

[Brewtus]

So...you're not feeling any less sour?

Nah, I don't cry over spilled milk.