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Krenzel ... Good, Bad or Ugly? (Long)

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Well appartently I am going to be the first jerk on this thread, because I don't think CK is underappreciated. First of all, I hear all the sports talk shows, national and local, talk him up, because of most of the things that have been mentioned. He is tough, a leader, smart, etc.

But I get the feeling that you all expect CK to be mentioned in the same breath with some of the great qb's returning this season, such as Eli Manning, or Cody Pickett? CK is just not as good as those players. I think he is terrific in our system, and I would hire him to run a company, or follow him blindly into battle, but he physically does not have the tools to compare.

In today's college football landscape great QB's are judged, not by what they do in college, but rather what there pro potential is, and CK does not IMO have any pro potential. He does not have the arm strength necessary. I still feel that, based on physical skills and ability alone, he is the weakest part of our team by a wide margin.

That is not to down play what he has meant to this team, nor what he has accomplished on the field. He has been outstanding. But really he is closer to "Rudy" than he is Joe Namath. That is why he does not get the pub that I think most of you expect.

Be easy on me.
 
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Too much information, brain hurts.

On CK, based only on opinion.

CK will likely out play these QB's

Adam Hall (SDSU) Will probably throw several INTs, if he can walk off the field
Pudue QB (whoever plays)
Nathan Chandler (likely Iowa starter) I didn't think he looked very good last season

and that is it.

Who will give us the most trouble?

Well, I would say Navare, but that is just because he is at scUM, not because of his ability.

I will say as far as ability goes I would say Philip Rivers. From what I have seen he has a lot of the good attributes that CK has, but less blemishes.

I don't know that I understand the last question so I will just stop here.
 
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Killer,

You raise points that are well-intended. We cannot simply point out the good and ignore the bad. There were moments last year when I was screaming "Throw the ball" as I saw guys breaking open.

His stubborn ability to stay in the pocket and take a sack or two probably helped us more than say- breaking out of the pocket and winging a fancy interception.

I'll be brief: (these are sort of off the top of my head)

Positives:

His ability to not get rattled is exceptional. Toughness. Look at how zapped Dorsey become under fire.

Accuracy under pressure was good when it needed to be (no explanation necessary).

Clock management- excruciatingly efficient; ie Purdue, end of first half.

Mostly mistake free.

Negatives:

Not pretty.

Missed some short passes.

Trouble throwing the underneath curl.

Now let's imagine what he's working on this offseason now that he's gotten his lasik surgery (no more contact lenses).

My forcast is that he's going to have a breakout season and throw for 2500 yards. Interceptions will be minimal. Touchdowns: plentiful. We have no clue how good tOSU is going to be this year.

Lastly, I must disagree that he is the weakest link on the offense. This is absolutely untrue. Our O-Line was not dominant enough last year- I can't say WHO exactly. Krenzel is the nervous center that cannot be undone no matter what. Once again I must reference Dorsey. He's got NFL toughness written all over him.
 
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No. He's one of the best. Not THE best though IMO. If you want to base it on "leadership" and "winning", I'd have to go with Kern or Greene, although you could make a good case for Krenzel. If you go by pure passing ability, I think Schlichter is a fairly obvious choice, maybe Germaine, Hoying, or Tomczak. But Krenzel is certainly no slouch by anyone's standard.
 
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No.
He was a great leader but the D the last few years has been amazing. If you gave a number of other OSU QB's that D they could have made some national noise as well.
CK was at worst a smart, gutsy QB and at best very good.
 
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I'll go with 4 major "points" for each player.

Krenzel: 26-3 record
2-1 vs. scUM
2-1 in Bowls
1-0 in NC games

Kern: 27-2 record
2-1 vs scUM
1-1 in Bowls
1-2 in NC games ( I count the 1969 loss at scUM as an NC game)

Greene: 31-3-1 record
2-0-1 vs. scUM
1-2 in Bowls
0-1 in NC games.

Now, Greene never lost to scUM but he never won a NC. Kern put his team in a position to win the NC every year he was here but only won one of the three. Krenzel won an NC in his only shot, plus had a winning record in Bowl games.

Kern played behind such greats as Foley, Mayes, and DeLeone. He had RB's like Hayden, Otis, Brockington.

Greene had the fortune to play behind greats like Hicks, Schumacher, Smith, Myers, Ward. RB's Like Archie and Pete didn't hurt the cause either.

Krenzel played behind a great player in Bentley for a few games. He had the talents of Wells and Clarett at RB. But, for the bulk of Krenzels career, he played behind a weak OL.

So, out of the three, CK had the "worst" record, was tied for 2nd vs. scUM, had the best Bowl record and had the best NC game record.

So, draw your own conclusions. I look at it this way. The goal of CFB is to win an NC. Jim Kern had us in three NC games in his three years here. Again, the 1969 scUM game was a NC game even though the Bucks were not Bowl eligible. If they had won, they would have won the NC. Hard to argue with being in three NC games in a row. My vote goes to Kern.
 
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Jim Kern??

WoodyWorshiper said:
I'll go with 4 major "points" for each player.

Krenzel: 26-3 record
2-1 vs. scUM
2-1 in Bowls
1-0 in NC games

Kern: 27-2 record
2-1 vs scUM
1-1 in Bowls
1-2 in NC games ( I count the 1969 loss at scUM as an NC game)

Greene: 31-3-1 record
2-0-1 vs. scUM
1-2 in Bowls
0-1 in NC games.

Now, Greene never lost to scUM but he never won a NC. Kern put his team in a position to win the NC every year he was here but only won one of the three. Krenzel won an NC in his only shot, plus had a winning record in Bowl games.

Kern played behind such greats as Foley, Mayes, and DeLeone. He had RB's like Hayden, Otis, Brockington.

Greene had the fortune to play behind greats like Hicks, Schumacher, Smith, Myers, Ward. RB's Like Archie and Pete didn't hurt the cause either.

Krenzel played behind a great player in Bentley for a few games. He had the talents of Wells and Clarett at RB. But, for the bulk of Krenzels career, he played behind a weak OL.

So, out of the three, CK had the "worst" record, was tied for 2nd vs. scUM, had the best Bowl record and had the best NC game record.

So, draw your own conclusions. I look at it this way. The goal of CFB is to win an NC. Jim Kern had us in three NC games in his three years here. Again, the 1969 scUM game was a NC game even though the Bucks were not Bowl eligible. If they had won, they would have won the NC. Hard to argue with being in three NC games in a row. My vote goes to Kern.
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Wasn't his name Rex?
 
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Im going to have to say no. There may have not been a better leader than Krenzel, but I would love to have seen what Germaine would do playing for Tressel. I would put him in the all time top 5.

Has anyone mentioned Hoying?
 
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I have never felt more confident at the end of the game than I did with Krenzel as my QB. No matter what, I always felt like he would get it done.

The two games we lost this year, I felt like there were some extenuating circumstances that kept the game out of his hands for that final shot. I also felt like he really did more with less this year. He did not have much help on the offensive side of the ball.

Best ever? Maybe not. Smartest? Best Leader? Toughest? Yes, yes and yes.

Holy Buckeye and that fourth down in the Fiesta Bowl are two of the biggest plays in the history of Ohio State football. And the Academic Heisman. Unbelievable. Every one of us should be proud that Craig Krenzel is a Buckeye no matter what failings his game might have.
 
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Mea Culpa

WoodyWorshiper said:
Is BuckeyeBeliever Stupid or just being a punk?

Yea, his name was "Rex" asswipe. As a matter of fact, it still is. "Jim" was a pitcher for the Cleveland Indians in the late 70's early 80's. I don't know why I did that, maybe just a subconscious attempt to humor a moron like yourself.

Garbage like this post of yours belongs over on Bucknuts. Rag on me there all you want. This site is for the more educated fan. If you had to "ask" about then man's name, then you obviously are not one.
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I'm sorry WoodyWorshipper, I must be both and an a@@wipe. You see I thought those on here were mature enough to share their thoughts without calling people names.

Rex Kern played what, 30 some years ago? A great many things have happened in 30 years and I wasn't sure if it was Jim or Rex.

I wasn't ragging on you at all. Just trying to refresh my own memory. So as you say, I am an a@@wipe, a punk, stupid and in uneducated fan.

I am sorry if I have offended you with my question, I am obviously not qualified to post on this board. Do I soung angry? Yes, I suppose I am, but I won't stoop to your sophomoric level of calling names and attacking you. I asked a an honest question, you took umbrage at my questrion.

Perhaps the saddest things about this exchange is that I had just got my wife to join...as she is a Buckeye fan...she had always chose not too because of "idiot flamers" on the net...I assured her that this board wasn't like that....and then....(you should be aware when you senslessly flame someone all that might be involved...your self-indulgance was totally unecessary and unwarrented.

Mea Culpa.

As for you, I haven't the time for people that act like you. I wish you well.
 
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