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"LLLLLLL"oyd Carr (officialllllll thread)

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Lloyd Carr - Love him or hate him?

  • Love Him

    Votes: 64 21.1%

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    Votes: 84 27.7%

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My daughter works at a tOSU/scUM shop here in N.W. Ohio. They (employees) were discussing Carr's tenure when a customer (claims to be a scUM insider) over heard the coversation said that Carr has Parkinsons disease and wants to coach two more years, untill Henne and Hart graduate, then he will retire. I do remember a while back hearing something about Carr's health.
 
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PoppaT said:
My daughter works at a tOSU/scUM shop here in N.W. Ohio. They (employees) were discussing Carr's tenure when a customer (claims to be a scUM insider) over heard the coversation said that Carr has Parkinsons disease and wants to coach two more years, untill Henne and Hart graduate, then he will retire. I do remember a while back hearing something about Carr's health.
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Is it the shop in Findlay?
 
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Jaxbuck said:
It can be argued quite effectively that the pooch punt on 4th and 3 was a huge mistake by LLLLoyd btw.
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Actually, it was a excellent call. One, Rivas had a career long of 47, and would've had to try a 51- or 52-yarder against the wind. A miss gives us good field position, and a block could've been disasterous for them. A normal punt would've allowed us to put Ginn and/or Holmes back for a possible huge return. Having Rivas pooch punt from FG formation forced us to have our FG team, and not our punt return team, on the field when they punted. If you recall, the punt went out of bounds on our 12 which was pretty much their objective, that being to pin us deep with no chance for a big return or a blocked kick.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Actually, it was a excellent call. One, Rivas had a career long of 47, and would've had to try a 51- or 52-yarder against the wind. A miss gives us good field position, and a block could've been disasterous for them. A normal punt would've allowed us to put Ginn and/or Holmes back for a possible huge return. Having Rivas pooch punt from FG formation forced us to have our FG team, and not our punt return team, on the field when they punted. If you recall, the punt went out of bounds on our 12 which was pretty much their objective, that being to pin us deep with no chance for a big return or a blocked kick.
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absolutely. the pooch was the correct call, and the result was perfect... except for the case that our offense took scUM's defense behind the woodshed.
 
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Point I was making is that if your scUM, you know the D's getting torched and has a history of late game collapses. Whats an extra 20-30 yards when it just took them about a minute to give up the length of the field? Your Offense is moving the chains with the short passing game and the refs are all your buddies. Henne and the WR's, in this case gives your team its best chance for success.

In that case you gota put the old school by the book approach away and go for it. At least your taking your best shot with the strongest part of your team. If I'm Carr and I feel like I'm about to go down again, then its gonna be after I took my best shot at you. This is not a second guess, I was very vocal about it at the time, just praying he wouldn't go for it and very thankful he didn't.

Of course if they didn't make it they would have crucified him as well so its a close call and would have taken some balls to make but imo would have been the right one.
 
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jax, carr had this decision to make: let his kicker, who hadn't made a field goal over 40 yards, attempt a field goal into a wind and risk giving a team, with a very good field goal kicker who would be kicking with the wind, great field position or pooch a kick and force the other team to go at least 50 yards to be in a spot to attempt a field goal that is by no means easy. stopping michigan on fourth down is too much a confidence booster for its opponent. again, we also get great field position with the wind at our backs. finally, it wasn't a 4th-and-inches 4th down.

you know the D's getting torched
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actually, michigan's defense was doing a good job against our offense from osu's first drive until the next to last ohio state drive. carr made the correct decision. fortunately, it didn't work out like he planned.
 
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since some coop comments were made, a few interesing facts about him

<!--StartFragment --> OSU finished the 1990s with 91 wins - one of just two Big Ten schools to win at least 90 games. The 91 wins are the seventh-best win total in the decade among all Division 1-A schools.

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20 Buckeyes have earned first-team All-America honors.
104 have been named Academic All-Big Ten Conference.
15 have been first-round NFL draft picks.
Seven have won National Football Foundation Scholarships.
Six have been named first-team Academic All-Americans.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Point I was making is that if your scUM, you know the D's getting torched and has a history of late game collapses. Whats an extra 20-30 yards when it just took them about a minute to give up the length of the field? Your Offense is moving the chains with the short passing game and the refs are all your buddies. Henne and the WR's, in this case gives your team its best chance for success.
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What was it, 4th-and-4? They had already missed on a 4th-and-1 on their first drive of the game. Carr made the right call for those circumstances...pin Ohio State deep without any chance for a big play.
 
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jimotis4heisman said:
since some coop comments were made, a few interesing facts about him

<!--StartFragment --> OSU finished the 1990s with 91 wins - one of just two Big Ten schools to win at least 90 games. The 91 wins are the seventh-best win total in the decade among all Division 1-A schools.

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20 Buckeyes have earned first-team All-America honors.
104 have been named Academic All-Big Ten Conference.
15 have been first-round NFL draft picks.
Seven have won National Football Foundation Scholarships.
Six have been named first-team Academic All-Americans.
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unfortunately for cooper, those aren't the stats that matter:

tressel:
4-1 against michigan
1 national championship
3-1 in bowl games

also, tressel will likely easily eclipse cooper in terms of academics.

edit: here's another tressel vs. cooper stat: tressel doesn't sound like a bumbling, stuttering idiot when he talks. sorry, but it pained me to have a coach who was often an embarrassment behind the mic.
 
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Its just one of those things that we'll never know the real answer to because he didn't go for it and I am aware that it was 4th and 4.

The FG was never an option obviously but I'd still rather take my chances on Henne and the WR's picking up 4 yds than that defense trying to stop anyone late in a game.

Opinions on this one are going to be very much in line with peoples various personalities.

Me personally, I'm an agressive poker player and quite comfortable putting a lot at stake with a hand I feel gives me at least decent odds and to me the Offense gave Carr better odds than the Defense.
 
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I remember when ol' 2-10-1 (Cooper:( ) was there, the Meatchicken players all wanted him to stay. Well, what goes around comes around, and I believe that Tressel has gotten our guys more fired up to play Michigan than they us. Lots of hard hitting, many people off the field on injuries yesterday, but few penalties called.

There's alot of the same smack coming from this site that was heard from up North during Cooper's times, and it'll probably come around to us again (although it's hard to visualize at 4-1). If we continue to outshine them, and our recruiting classes are rated higher, he'll "step down" and get kicked upstairs somewhere in the athletic department. But realize he's built a recruiting juggernaut (just check out the top players, most all of 'em have Michigan as an 'interest'), and continues to get good publicity.

But on the other hand, if they can fire Moeller for being intoxicated in a restaurant and mouthing off to someone who was bothering his dinner, hey! Anything can happen. We lose alot of talent for next year, but so do they. We'll see who can reload better. :oh: :osu: :io:
 
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