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I am outside the US and just saw how ESPiN handled this during the UTEP-Colorado halftime.
Disgusting. A new journalistic low.
The only new thing is that Geiger has admitted that more is coming. That is really bad news because ESPiN now smell blood and lots of ratings. I disagree about how Geiger handled the interview. He looked tentative and, quite frankly, looked frightened to me. He was apologetic. He almost whined that OSU employed four attorneys. This doesn't bode well for the future.
Here is my opinion about what Geiger and the OSU administration have to do, as a marketing professional.
Geiger needs to be more forthright and take back the high moral ground. He needs to act now or he and Tressel will not weather this storm and the NC 2005 will be down the drain.
"Yes, Mr Tirico, like other major athletic programs in America, we must examine ourselves constantly and we will sometimes find problems. But its not as bad as some journalists would like to make out and many of these problems pre-date our current football and basketball coaches.
In particular, a number of allegations have been levelled at Ohio State football. Most of these allegations are derived from a few former student athletes who left OSU prior to graduation. It is unnecessary for me to comment on the reasons why these student athletes left OSU or to point out once again that NCAA investigations have found most of these allegations to be untrue. For instance, we have investigated and refuted the following allegations: example, example example.
Our investigations have not been aided by inconsistencies in the reporting of these matters in some press outlets. Some former or current players have been alleged to support the allegations against OSU. However, when these players report in local media that they have been misquoted, these reports are not reported by the originating sources that have quoted their alleged support. In fact, statements that former student athletes have been misquoted have been ignored almost without exception.
Inaccuracies also have slowed our progress. For instance, one former player is alleged to have indicated that the education he received at OSU was of such inferior quality as to not receive credit for 40% of his OSU classes when transferring to the University of Maryland football team. To a large extent, this is explained by differences in the number of credits required to graduate from a University on the semester system, as opposed to the quarter system at OSU. In general, students transferring to OSU from a semester program will receive more credits because their courses are split over two semesters instead of three quarters per year. So, each semester course covers more hours of instruction and study. So, we are comparing apples and oranges. Also, universities are not exactly equivalent in their course offerings. This is why it takes X credits to graduate at the University of Maryland and Y credits to graduate at Ohio State. I might also point out that we don't give credit toward graduation for failed courses, either!
It is especially inaccurate and hurtful to our student athletes when these allegations are used to suggest that our football players are behind academically despite that fact that OSU football is a leading Big Ten program academically and the proportion of student athletes who graduate is higher than that of the rest of our student population.
It's likely that any university athletics program will find some problems, if it places itself under the same spotlight that we are using to examine ourselves at OSU. Last week, one of our many honorable boosters reported that another booster had made an inappropriate payment to our quarterback. The booster and the athlete involved have confirmed this.
I have a disappointing announcement to make in this regard. Although we have had such very high hopes for the student-athlete involved, I am sorry to report that we have decided that he be removed from the Ohio State athletics program immediately. He may stay at Ohio State and complete his education but he will not be permitted to take part in any other officially-sanctioned athletics activities. The booster involved has been forbidden to have any further contact with our athletics programs or purchase tickets to any future games.
All universities rely on the support of boosters and we are severely disappointed that a booster would tempt a student athlete with an inappropriate payment. However, our student athletes know the rules. This student athlete chose to violate the trust that was placed in him and the code of honor to which he subscribed in accepting our offer to attend Ohio State and we have little option in such circumstances but to enforce a policy of zero tolerance.
You also may have read that another member of our football team has been charged with statuatory rape in the state of Florida for an alleged offense that took place prior to his coming to Ohio State. The situation is not wihtout its complexity and the student athlete has not been found guilty in a court of law, Nevertheless, we have taken immediate steps to remove the player from the active playing squad during this investigation and should he be found guilty, even though this happened before he came to Ohio State, he will be off the team.
Ohio State is not alone in observing such violations or in crisis. During the past six months, there have been 143? violations reported to the NCAA. We live in an age of incredible transparency. Players at other universities have been arrested for indecent exposure, armed assault, robbery, etc, etc. It is a sad and unfortunate sign of our times and we appreciate very much the many calls of support and encouragement we have received from other coaches and athletics administrators.
It has become evident to us that college football and athletics are under threat by rogue elements that have scary intentions. We had hoped that time honored principles of decency and honor, backed by a well-designed compliance team and procedure, would be adequate to insulate us from the very problems of which I speak. It is clear that the world has changed and that there is a general need for zero tolerance. Ohio State will be setting an example in this regard starting immediately."
This is how I would expect Geiger and Tressel to sound. Forthright, strong and in control.
I would expect that they would get rid of Troy Smith. He knows what he did was wrong. We now know that he took money. Despite his talent, in my opinion, anything short of sending him on his way out of OSU will be a step toward the whole house of cards falling.
It is my fear that if they do anything less, the perfect storm is on the horizon.
Disgusting. A new journalistic low.
The only new thing is that Geiger has admitted that more is coming. That is really bad news because ESPiN now smell blood and lots of ratings. I disagree about how Geiger handled the interview. He looked tentative and, quite frankly, looked frightened to me. He was apologetic. He almost whined that OSU employed four attorneys. This doesn't bode well for the future.
Here is my opinion about what Geiger and the OSU administration have to do, as a marketing professional.
Geiger needs to be more forthright and take back the high moral ground. He needs to act now or he and Tressel will not weather this storm and the NC 2005 will be down the drain.
"Yes, Mr Tirico, like other major athletic programs in America, we must examine ourselves constantly and we will sometimes find problems. But its not as bad as some journalists would like to make out and many of these problems pre-date our current football and basketball coaches.
In particular, a number of allegations have been levelled at Ohio State football. Most of these allegations are derived from a few former student athletes who left OSU prior to graduation. It is unnecessary for me to comment on the reasons why these student athletes left OSU or to point out once again that NCAA investigations have found most of these allegations to be untrue. For instance, we have investigated and refuted the following allegations: example, example example.
Our investigations have not been aided by inconsistencies in the reporting of these matters in some press outlets. Some former or current players have been alleged to support the allegations against OSU. However, when these players report in local media that they have been misquoted, these reports are not reported by the originating sources that have quoted their alleged support. In fact, statements that former student athletes have been misquoted have been ignored almost without exception.
Inaccuracies also have slowed our progress. For instance, one former player is alleged to have indicated that the education he received at OSU was of such inferior quality as to not receive credit for 40% of his OSU classes when transferring to the University of Maryland football team. To a large extent, this is explained by differences in the number of credits required to graduate from a University on the semester system, as opposed to the quarter system at OSU. In general, students transferring to OSU from a semester program will receive more credits because their courses are split over two semesters instead of three quarters per year. So, each semester course covers more hours of instruction and study. So, we are comparing apples and oranges. Also, universities are not exactly equivalent in their course offerings. This is why it takes X credits to graduate at the University of Maryland and Y credits to graduate at Ohio State. I might also point out that we don't give credit toward graduation for failed courses, either!
It is especially inaccurate and hurtful to our student athletes when these allegations are used to suggest that our football players are behind academically despite that fact that OSU football is a leading Big Ten program academically and the proportion of student athletes who graduate is higher than that of the rest of our student population.
It's likely that any university athletics program will find some problems, if it places itself under the same spotlight that we are using to examine ourselves at OSU. Last week, one of our many honorable boosters reported that another booster had made an inappropriate payment to our quarterback. The booster and the athlete involved have confirmed this.
I have a disappointing announcement to make in this regard. Although we have had such very high hopes for the student-athlete involved, I am sorry to report that we have decided that he be removed from the Ohio State athletics program immediately. He may stay at Ohio State and complete his education but he will not be permitted to take part in any other officially-sanctioned athletics activities. The booster involved has been forbidden to have any further contact with our athletics programs or purchase tickets to any future games.
All universities rely on the support of boosters and we are severely disappointed that a booster would tempt a student athlete with an inappropriate payment. However, our student athletes know the rules. This student athlete chose to violate the trust that was placed in him and the code of honor to which he subscribed in accepting our offer to attend Ohio State and we have little option in such circumstances but to enforce a policy of zero tolerance.
You also may have read that another member of our football team has been charged with statuatory rape in the state of Florida for an alleged offense that took place prior to his coming to Ohio State. The situation is not wihtout its complexity and the student athlete has not been found guilty in a court of law, Nevertheless, we have taken immediate steps to remove the player from the active playing squad during this investigation and should he be found guilty, even though this happened before he came to Ohio State, he will be off the team.
Ohio State is not alone in observing such violations or in crisis. During the past six months, there have been 143? violations reported to the NCAA. We live in an age of incredible transparency. Players at other universities have been arrested for indecent exposure, armed assault, robbery, etc, etc. It is a sad and unfortunate sign of our times and we appreciate very much the many calls of support and encouragement we have received from other coaches and athletics administrators.
It has become evident to us that college football and athletics are under threat by rogue elements that have scary intentions. We had hoped that time honored principles of decency and honor, backed by a well-designed compliance team and procedure, would be adequate to insulate us from the very problems of which I speak. It is clear that the world has changed and that there is a general need for zero tolerance. Ohio State will be setting an example in this regard starting immediately."
This is how I would expect Geiger and Tressel to sound. Forthright, strong and in control.
I would expect that they would get rid of Troy Smith. He knows what he did was wrong. We now know that he took money. Despite his talent, in my opinion, anything short of sending him on his way out of OSU will be a step toward the whole house of cards falling.
It is my fear that if they do anything less, the perfect storm is on the horizon.
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Darcangelo
Fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way
You know this gets old. The media (FUespn) hates us, why? Trev Albert's? C'mon who is he? Has he ever made sense? Isn't he the same dickhead that uses that show for his "whine about Nebraska" forum? Texas Tech hung 70 on them this year. Texas Tech ! Has anyone ever done that to us? The remedy for all of this shit is for Andy to step down after the dust settles ( if it ever does) and let Archie take over, it's the logical solution. I mean look at Geiger on TV, he is a squirming used car salesman. At least give Arch a shot, he deserves it.
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Darcangelo
Fritter and waste the hours in an off-hand way
Can you believe Herby sitting ther like a goof while they go on and on about mo. what a joke !!!!!!!!!!
ESPN GET OVER IT ! ALL BIG TIME SCHOOLS MAKE THEIR KIDS KINGS !
ESPN GET OVER IT ! ALL BIG TIME SCHOOLS MAKE THEIR KIDS KINGS !
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During the second quarter, they spent several more minutes discussing the off-the-field issues. But to their credit, they actually talked about what was happening on the field very briefly between plays. 
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JXC
17-4 since 2001
That was ugly. The last 15 minutes of the half was horrible. If they want to talk about this shit, then fine...i'll put the game on mute. But they didn't even show the field. I've NEVER in my life seen them show the announcers in ANY sports broadcast for that long. ESPN is one fucked up bitch!
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shut up, he is not. he defended the program.cant call it said:
people need to realize he isnt taking snaps at OSU anymore.
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hotrodr123
Junior
He needs to get the Hell out of Columbus and quit making money off of the central Ohio Fans... He is as bad as the rest.BuckeyeNation27 said:
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hotrodr123
Junior
I see I took a big hit in rep for this oh well, IF you think Herbstreet was objective or defending Ohio state in any way you are dumber than a scUM grad. So Herbstreet and ESPN can go F**** themselves. He needs to stay off of central Ohio Radio. I will be calling the advertisers that sponsor his radio show and telling them what I think.
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OilerBuck
Sweet Crude
How many of us thought the same thing going into the game? If most Buckeye fans were honest with themselves about it, scUM looked a lot better than us prior to the game. I just get tired of all of you hypocrites bashing Kirk for opinions many of the rest of us have.cant call it said:
If we kicked every person with a dissenting opinion about OSU out of Columbus, the place would be empty because we are all passionate about football. Kirk knows a heck of a lot more about football than any of us and I have no problem with him telling it how it is. I have no doubt that he loves this University.
I swear some of you are so narrow minded. We should be celebrating a great win, but you are trashing a fine alumn.
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hotrodr123
Junior
Oiler Buck,
I don't want to kick him out for the dissenting opinion. He can actually stay in Columbus, just get off the local Airwaves and making money off of the central Ohio fans.
I don't want to kick him out for the dissenting opinion. He can actually stay in Columbus, just get off the local Airwaves and making money off of the central Ohio fans.
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