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OFFICIAL: Biblical/Theology Discussion thread

kinch;2015900; said:
isn't this the point of religion? I was nearly converted.

I remember reading an academic article in which a philosopher was asserting "that the phenomenological essence of all religions is soteriological". Once I figured out what that statement actually meant, his argument made a lot of sense. The author's assertion was that what differentiated religions and the religious is the question: from what does one need to be saved?

In this sense, we could argue that Jake is actually the most religious of all posters here on BP as he seems to have the greatest amount of soteriological angst.
 
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Soteriological means to be saved but from what? We all need to be saved from ourselves! lol

buckeyegrad;2016031; said:
I remember reading an academic article in which a philosopher was asserting "that the phenomenological essence of all religions is soteriological". Once I figured out what that statement actually meant, his argument made a lot of sense. The author's assertion was that what differentiated religions and the religious is the question: from what does one need to be saved?

In this sense, we could argue that Jake is actually the most religious of all posters here on BP as he seems to have the greatest amount of soteriological angst.
 
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kinch;2015900; said:
In the end, isn't this the point of religion? I was nearly converted.
I thought the point of religion was to find truth. Belief in God isn't necessary for people to be good to each other and comfort one another. In fact, I would argue that someone who is motivated to do good by the reward of going to heaven or fear of going to hell follows a moral code that is inferior to someone who does the same thing solely out of a sense of responsibility, respect and compassion for others without any expectation of a reward or fear of punishment.
 
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Brewtus;2016172; said:
I thought the point of religion was to find truth. Belief in God isn't necessary for people to be good to each other and comfort one another. In fact, I would argue that someone who is motivated to do good by the reward of going to heaven or fear of going to hell follows a moral code that is inferior to someone who does the same thing solely out of a sense of responsibility, respect and compassion for others without any expectation of a reward or fear of punishment.

I think the point of religion is to respond to the spiritual in humankind, which has been expressed in a wide variety of ways, much of it culturally influenced. There was, of course, a need to understand man and man's place in a frightening and violent world. The how and why of nature, thunder, the seasons, the stars, and why men act so different than animals. The nature of morality was of interest - and what was the "right" way to act so that the God(s) would look kindly on us, and increase the chances of having a better life.

As we grew to know more, the questions became more complex, but then, the explanation for things like the cause of thunder became more complex answers as well. And learning about charged electrons did not answer the "why" there were charged electrons in the first place.

Certainly, if you look at Buddha, Christ, etc., there is a great commonality of expression as to the need for (out of a lack of a better way to put it) the "Golden Rule". That the core teachings are neglected is not totally the "fault" of religion, as religion is what should remind us to act that way in the first place.
 
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Gatorubet;2016199; said:
I think the point of religion is to respond to the spiritual in humankind, which has been expressed in a wide variety of ways, much of it culturally influenced. There was, of course, a need to understand man and man's place in a frightening and violent world. The how and why of nature, thunder, the seasons, the stars, and why men act so different than animals. The nature of morality was of interest - and what was the "right" way to act so that the God(s) would look kindly on us, and increase the chances of having a better life.

As we grew to know more, the questions became more complex, but then, the explanation for things like the cause of thunder became more complex answers as well. And learning about charged electrons did not answer the "why" there were charged electrons in the first place.

Certainly, if you look at Buddha, Christ, etc., there is a great commonality of expression as to the need for (out of a lack of a better way to put it) the "Golden Rule". That the core teachings are neglected is not totally the "fault" of religion, as religion is what should remind us to act that way in the first place.

In the Rosicrucian Order they describe religions as many streams flowing from one river.

Okay I am going to get freaky here.

My family traces back to the Knights Templar through the Rosicrucian Order in Scotland. Weirdly, when my Grandpa died, my mother, then me (she had five siblings, but we most represented my Grandpa somehow to the rest) were determined to carry the line. Total Dan Brown stuff.

Anyway, this isn't just a story. I can post pics. I have tons of old literature on the Rosicrucian Order. A crate with a shield on the top that says ATAN, with the first letter scratched out, but you can make out the "S." Books on all types of weird things: the true life of Jesus, witchcraft, anything you can think of. A seance table. Candle holders with pentagrams. The books, btw, are separate from the crate.

I have a funerary stone for a royal woman in Egypt, limestone I think, wrapped in rotted leather with either a Templar or Scottish dragon on the front. I had the stone analyzed by museum peeps.

Hmm. There is a lot more in that crate. A huge old Bible with differing passages. I mean this thing is 6 inches thick and maybe 14 by 12 inches.

There is so much more. I didn't really look through it until a few years ago. Currently, I use the crate as a table for my Playstation and Cable box. Ha.

There are also a lot of very old pictures and strange letters from others in the order. I'm trying to think of what else there is. Most of it is very, very old. One hundred years, a few thousand years (like the Egyptian stone, which the curators were very mad at me for having).

This is no joke.

Edit: I would actually love to post pics and see what you guys think. I don't know why I haven't gone down this rabbit hole before, except for the stone.
 
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MaxBuck;2016254; said:
Well, actually, yes, it is. But you're not in on it.

That's why I didn't bother to look through it for so many years. :)

The thing that interests me is the stone. I had it described and identified by someone at the Metropolitan Museum of Art: it's real.

I have never gotten around to it, but if they want it they can have it. I don't think it is that important of a piece though. They were just mad that it was stolen from Egypt.
 
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kinch;2016249; said:
In the Rosicrucian Order they describe religions as many streams flowing from one river.

Okay I am going to get freaky here.

My family traces back to the Knights Templar through the Rosicrucian Order in Scotland. Weirdly, when my Grandpa died, my mother, then me (she had five siblings, but we most represented my Grandpa somehow to the rest) were determined to carry the line. Total Dan Brown stuff.

Anyway, this isn't just a story. I can post pics. I have tons of old literature on the Rosicrucian Order. A crate with a shield on the top that says ATAN, with the first letter scratched out, but you can make out the "S." Books on all types of weird things: the true life of Jesus, witchcraft, anything you can think of. A seance table. Candle holders with pentagrams. The books, btw, are separate from the crate.

I have a funerary stone for a royal woman in Egypt, limestone I think, wrapped in rotted leather with either a Templar or Scottish dragon on the front. I had the stone analyzed by museum peeps.

Hmm. There is a lot more in that crate. A huge old Bible with differing passages. I mean this thing is 6 inches thick and maybe 14 by 12 inches.

There is so much more. I didn't really look through it until a few years ago. Currently, I use the crate as a table for my Playstation and Cable box. Ha.

There are also a lot of very old pictures and strange letters from others in the order. I'm trying to think of what else there is. Most of it is very, very old. One hundred years, a few thousand years (like the Egyptian stone, which the curators were very mad at me for having).

This is no joke.

Edit: I would actually love to post pics and see what you guys think. I don't know why I haven't gone down this rabbit hole before, except for the stone.

Oh, post pics, for sure, I love me some Occult/Templar/Freemason shit.
 
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I recommend the "College Football" forum. It will help break the monotony of all the vBet threads.
This shouldn't be construed as evidence for or against, but reading the Sandusky thread, I find it interesting that many people, some of whom I remember not having a supernatural worldview, seem to believe the justice of our court system and death itself is not justice enough for those involved.
 
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