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Official Cleveland Browns Draft Thread

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My 2 cents... First of all I like the pick of Joe Thomas, although I would've liked Adrian Peterson in that spot. Thomas should solidify our offensive line and actually give us a solid line for years if he turns into what people think he should be. Next is what I really want to talk about and that is the Browns trading up for Quinn. First of all, I was the opposite of a fan of Quinn at #3, and if he would've been taken at 3 I think he would've been a bust. However... after he dropped Quinn handled himself with poise which was impressive. Also I think him dropping will make him come in determined and with a chip on his shoulder. Hopfully that will drive him to become a good QB in this league and hopefully he will become the Browns franchise QB. Here's my thing about trading up. We gave up too much, plain and simple. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd this year or simply our #1 next year would've been ok but #2 this year and #1 next year was too much. But Savage, regarded as one of the best talent evaluators in the league, staked his job basically on this pick. If the Browns do horrible this year and end up giving away a top 10 or top 5 pick Savage probably loses his job. So since Savage is staking his job on the pick of Brady Quinn, I'm going to trust Phil on this one. He needs to hit on one more pick in this draft in addition to Quinn and Thomas for this to be potentially the turning point draft of the Browns franchise. It should be interesting to see who we take in the later rounds, seeing as we need a RB, CB, DT (3-4 End) and some more O-Line help.

Maybe that was a little more than my 2 cents but w/e :biggrin:
 
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Not a huge fan of the price we paid to get Quinn. Unless you're projecting the Browns to be a playoff team next year and pick in the 20s, it just isn't a good use of chips. Watch this team get to 7-9 in 2007 and be in a bad spot, watching 48 guys come off the board before your first pick comes up. I don't agree with a team in this position should be throwing away so many high picks for one player, even if you got his personal protector earlier (a great pick, IMO).
 
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If Dallas ends up with a high pick from us next year, meaning we sucked again this year, who's to say we wouldn't have taken a QB then? In that case, we basically have the QB we would have taken with that pick already, and he will be a year into his progression. I look at it as we didn't lose our second round pick, we just moved up 14 spots and took our second round pick in the first round. No first round pick next year means that we can't screw it up. It seems like some people believe that having the highest picks in the draft means eventually you will get better. You can, but there is a reason many teams have a top 10 pick almost every year. You have to draft well in every round, and chances are if you screw the pooch on your first pick, you may keep doing it and end up with a horrible draft and a horrible team, giving you another top 10 pick. And the cycle repeats itself. Quinn at 3, I window shop NFL teams. Thomas at 3 plus Quinn at 22, I am pretty damn excited!
 
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I actually like the drafting Cleveland has done so far. They are going to have Thomas for a long long time. Quinn might make it, he might not.

Now at least I don't have to worry about Cleveland drafting Troy Smith and he could be there for my Dolphins later.:biggrin:
 
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I think the pick of Thomas was a solid move.

The BQ trade got them a QB with a chance to be good, and they won't have to pay him big bucks for a few years. But I think giving up the #36 pick and next year's #1 (very likely a top-10) were too high of a price in draft choices. They could have had their choice of John Beck, Kevin Kolb, or Drew Stanton at a second round salary and still had a high #1 in 2008.

Those evaluating the draft will give grades based on players selected. But Dallas and New England each made extremely shrewd moves, and it's going to be hard for me to say that very many teams had better days than those two today.
 
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aurorabuckeye13;824462; said:
Here's my thing about trading up. We gave up too much, plain and simple. Maybe a 2nd and 3rd this year or simply our #1 next year would've been ok but #2 this year and #1 next year was too much.
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I respect your opinion here aurora but I must say I completely disagree that the price was too high. Personally, I about did a back flip when I first heard what the details of this trade were. I was expecting it to be next years first, and this years 2nd and maybe a 5th round or something like that.

It's delusional on you and anyone else's part to not expect that the price of Dallas' first round pick this year wouldn't be the Browns' first round pick next year since the Browns had already used this year's first for Thomas. To acquire a first round pick in the NFL you have to either give up a bonafide star player or a first round pick of your own. That's the going price. Do you really think the Cowboys are gonna give up their #1 for a 2 and a 3. Come on! You are dreaming!

What about your other scenario which is even more ridiculous. What reason did Dallas have for simply swapping this years number one pick for next years number one straight up as you talked about above. I'm just taking a step back and looking at it from Dallas' persective. It seems you wanted Dallas to just bend over backwards for the Browns or something.

I think it was a good deal. I believe that Dallas could have gotten an additional 5th or 6th out of Cleveland. Cleveland got two of the top five or six players in this years draft and all it cost them was a second round pick. Think of Brady Quinn as next years number one pick. They get him this year and it only cost a number two. Not a terrible deal.

Once again, the going rate for acquiring a first round pick is a first round pick in return. To prove my point, another team (New England I think) just made a trade to another team at the end of the first round and the price included the other teams 2008 first round pick. That's just the going price. The Browns didn't overpay.

I know alot of people don't like Quinn. I'm not his biggest fan either but I am not afraid to admit that he is way better than the 22nd best player in the draft. He's easily a top 10 pick. He was just a victim of circumstances today. He didn't get picked by Cleveland where everyone in the NFL thought he would. So he started dropping and there were a bunch of other teams lined up that either already had established QB's or had already made decisions to address other areas of their teams.

If Cleveland hadn't gone up to get him I believe Kansas City would have taken him with the next pick. Chicago probably wanted Quinn too. Dallas wasn't going to pick Quinn obviously because they were willing to trade the pick. Jerry Jones didn't dupe Cleveland into anything in that regard as a previous poster suggested (the scUM supporter I think it was). If Dallas wanted Quinn they would have fucking picked him and Cleveland knew that.

Brady Quinn is a top 10 caliber pick, therefore if next year's number one that goes to Dallas is a top 10 pick then big fucking deal. All it cost was this years number 2 and it's childish to think the Browns could have gotten a better deal for this trade. Sorry. It's childish to think so. Time to grow up I guess. To get something you have got to give up something. Welcome to the real world Mr. Browns fan.

Dallas is in it to win it just like everyone else. Including the Browns as it now appears! Sooner or later the Browns were gonna have to stand up and dare to be great. What you should be more pissed about is the now apparent wasted number 3 pick used for Charlie Frye. This is Quinn's team now because you don't trade up for a QB and then not let him have the ball. This IS the Browns though so maybe I shouldn't make such statements.

The Browns deserve a pat on the back. They have gone a long way toward fixing the o-line and they have alot more legitimacy at QB now to be sure. As a fan I was willing to give Frye the benefit of the doubt and see what he could do with Steinbach and Thomas coming in on the line but Quinn is better than Frye. No doubt about it.

I know there is alot of bias against Quinn on this site because he played at ND and no one around here likes ND that's for sure. If Quinn had played at tOSU and put up the same numbers and turned in to the same player he is today, I think people on this site would have be alot more receptive to the idea of him playing for the Browns. Just my opinion.

Good luck Brady Quinn. That's the first time I ever wished Brady Quinn luck.:) Good luck to the Browns. I believe the Browns are better. Don't know if that will translate into immediate wins but Savage is putting his neck on the line and I like seeing my team make some waves for once.

Go Browns!!!!!

Go Buckeyes!!!!!!!
 
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My point was the Browns overpaid and I still beleive that. My opinion and I beleive many others have that opinion too. With the Browns giving up a second rounder early in the second round, its almost like giving up a late first round pick. So essentially the Cowboys traded down and probably got a top-10 pick next year. Again, IMO that is overpaying for Quinn who might not be that much better than guys like Stanton, Beck or Edwards. And my comments about what the Browns should have given up were just thrown out there to indicate lesser value, instead of how much we gave up.

Basically to sum it up I think the Browns simply overpaid to essentially trade down 15 spots...
 
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The going rate for a late first round pick is not a prospectively high 1st round pick in next years draft, plus a guaranteed high draft pick in the 2nd round.

I'm glad some Browns fans look at this as a great draft move. But, seriously, they overspent to get it - plain and simple. (Apocryphal tales of competing offers by Baltimore whispered into Quinn's ear don't change that fact.)
 
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Brady Quinn at #3 would have bothered me. Everyone knows that in Cleveland, the only quarterback that the fans like is the second-string quarterback. Quinn sitting on the bench would have everyone in Cleveland clamouring for him to play, once the team is 0-4. And, if he starts at the begining of the season would just have people screaming about how Frye isn't so bad - why isn't he playing?

But drafting him at #21 or #22 or whatever, maybe the fans won't be bitching for Quinn to start so quickly. I'd like to see the Browns create an offensive line (one that won't be injured), so that whoever the quarterback is can actually throw the ball, rather than scramble for his life, or be knocked on his ass twice every play.
 
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Napoleonbuck;824636; said:
We got our QB, but now we lack a third and fourth to get a RB. Hopefully we can shore this up on the second day, or maybe in free agency(though I have no clue who would be available).
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I've seen rumors of a possible deal for Larry Johnson? doubtful. With Lewis, it's not a pressing need and they can probably wait until next year which is projected to be a RB rich draft.
 
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