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OSU Men's Basketball Recruiting/Projections/General Discussions

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wadc45 said:
For 2018, which will mark another four years, Thad has Dane Goodwin, Darius Bazley and Justin Ahrens committed. All good players but none that I would label as "program changers". OSU chased a few top rated guys initially like Darius Garland, Jahvon Quinerly, Keldon Johnson and Khavon Moore but aren't a serious threat to land of of those guys. Dwayne Cohill remains a top target and would be a nice addition to the class but Thad is really struggling to land some of the really big fish.
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I know that you have a much better pulse on recruiting than most anyone on this board so do you have any idea why Thad is missing out on the so-called "program changers". I am not that familiar with the guys that you mentioned, except Cohill, and just wonder if they are guys that might be one and done types of players. May be Matta is tired of recruiting those types of guys because, in a way, they have really short-circuited the program in the past by leaving after one year. I think that Thad is a hell of a basketball coach and would hate to lose him just because kids do not really know what they are missing. @wadc45
 
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LitlBuck said:
I know that you have a much better pulse on recruiting than most anyone on this board so do you have any idea why Thad is missing out on the so-called "program changers". I am not that familiar with the guys that you mentioned, except Cohill, and just wonder if they are guys that might be one and done types of players. May be Matta is tired of recruiting those types of guys because, in a way, they have really short-circuited the program in the past by leaving after one year. I think that Thad is a hell of a basketball coach and would hate to lose him just because kids do not really know what they are missing. @wadc45
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Definitely seems like a shift in recruiting strategy of late. Any why wouldn't they after watching Giddens, Mitchell, Grandstaff and Harris leave town, even if Harris is an Ohio kid.

I wonder about the strength of his assistants recruiting outside of Dickerson. His name is the only one you ever hear.
 
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If there are no Ohio studs to attract others, it just isn't going to happen. I'm sorry, but we simply are not Carolina, Kansas, Duke, UCLA, UConn, Louisville, or Kentucky. What do all of those programs have in common? They suck at football! For some reason, nobody can sustain themselves as an elite program in both sports for too long. The elite at football, historically, are Miami, Florida State, Alabama, Texas, USC, Ohio State, and you can throw in a Michigan or LSU in there. All teams that occasionally make a spark in basketball, but cannot sustain anything.

Ohio State needs stud Ohioans to stay home and attract other blue-chippers. That's just the way it's always been, and probably the way it always will be. Big-timers don't want to play second fiddle to the Troy Smiths and Zekes of the world, I guess. There are at least 4 big-timers in the sophomore class (Mitchell, Francis, Gordon, Davis from Trotwood, etc..) in Ohio, so who knows what is on the horizon?

That being said, we should always be in the top-25 range, and your assessment of the coaching staff and S&C is obvious. These guys simply do not get better or stronger.
 
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All right, I watched some clips last night, and all I've got to say, without seeing enough to give a total evaluation, is that a 2019 backcourt of Gordon (Sidney) and Davis (Trotwood) would probably be the most dynamic we've ever had at Ohio State. Gordon is definitely Derrick Rose-lite, and Davis is De'Aaron Fox of Kentucky-lite. Both guys are kind of jaw-dropping in the open court. You get those two together, you just push the basketball, and good things are going to happen.

Mitchell strikes me as Loving-esque. I could be wrong, and it wouldn't be the first time, but he's tall, lanky, somewhat skilled, but somewhat of a coaster. Now, he's very skinny, and he could turn into a beast with a good S&C program....how likely is that to happen in Columbus? I would also compare him to Moyer from Gahanna a couple of years ago, who went to a prep school and then Syracuse to red-shirt this year. High-ranked Ohio kid that just didn't seem all that great, but deserved to go high DI. The scouting services had Seth Towns of Northland in the 100 range before he went to Harvard, and I always liked Towns' game. I just don't see any way that Mitchell is that much better (if at all) than Towns was.

Francis is hard for me to evaluate, but I think we are probably going to make a big push for him, given his lineage as a Buckeye (like the Wessons). Francis seems to have a mature game, good size, and good coaching. He's probably a can't-miss recruit. I don't see the explosiveness or physique from him that you get from the other two guards, so it's a matter of preference. He seems like the type of PG that has the potential to be ball-dominant, so again, it's a matter of style and preference whether you like him.

Gaffney from Cleveland is similar to Funderburk. Taylor Currie from Worthington (don't know where he's playing this year, was on AAU with Francis) seems like a Wisconsin-type of player, a big white guy who can shoot well. Samari Curtis from Xenia has a bit of Jordan Sibert to him.

I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but if you want to shake up the program, you go after Gordon and Davis and turn up the pressure.
 
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MaxBuck said:
I honestly don't know that I see B1G quality in either Goodwin or Ahrens. Cohill, though, I like a lot.
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Well, then, I don't know what to tell you, because Ahrens is better than his older brother, and Goodwin has proven he can score on any guard in the country during AAU ball, where his teams have been highly successful. At what level of basketball should a Junior who is averaging 30 ppg against Upper Arlington's schedule play?
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
Well, then, I don't know what to tell you, because Ahrens is better than his older brother, and Goodwin has proven he can score on any guard in the country during AAU ball, where his teams have been highly successful. At what level of basketball should a Junior who is averaging 30 ppg against Upper Arlington's schedule play?
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Again ... I'm not talking about how good either of these young men are as high school basketball players; they're both terrific at that level. Just don't see sufficient athleticism in either one to flourish at the high D1 level. Neither one has the suddenness or guile, to my eye, as Cohill.

Hope I'm wrong, of course; I often have been. I thought Mickey Mitchell would be a star here. Oopsy.
 
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If Cohill isn't a true PG in the eyes of the staff, he probably isn't needed. I agree with you, he looks polished and capable in his videos. It's just that I see a combo-guard, and with the options in the class behind him, I don't know that he is what we need. Besides that, he seems to be waiting on a Michigan offer from other reports. Do I want to play him? No. But that seems to be the direction he's going with the waiting game.
 
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MaxBuck said:
Again ... I'm not talking about how good either of these young men are as high school basketball players; they're both terrific at that level. Just don't see sufficient athleticism in either one to flourish at the high D1 level. Neither one has the suddenness or guile, to my eye, as Cohill.

Hope I'm wrong, of course; I often have been. I thought Mickey Mitchell would be a star here. Oopsy.
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You weren't alone there. #facepalm
 
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OHIO STATE COMMITS KALEB WESSON, DANE GOODWIN PUT ON SHOW, OFFER GLIMPSE AT FUTURE IN HEAD-TO-HEAD MATCHUP

Inside the home locker room at Upper Arlington High School, Dane Goodwin was surrounded by nearly every local media member in attendance Tuesday night and the 2018 Ohio State commit took a deep breath and leaned back against the wall.

"That was a long game," he said.

Goodwin certainly earned the right to be exhausted. He never checked out of the game and scored 35 points to help Upper Arlington knock off defending state champion Westerville South — led by another future Buckeye, 2017 signee Kaleb Wesson — in thrilling fashion, 68-67.

And while it was Goodwin's teammate, sophomore Max Martz, who hit the buzzer-beating 3-pointer to win the game, Tuesday was more about the show put on between the two players headed to Ohio State.

Goodwin hit 8-of-13 tries from behind the 3-point line to score his 35 points and also grabbed seven rebounds, but he went head-to-head with Wesson, who finished with a career-high 49 points to go along with seven boards himself. Wesson scored 35 of his team's 37 second-half points and finished the game 15-for-19 from the field and 18-for-19 at the free-throw line.

It was an absolute monster performance by both individuals.

"I met up with Kaleb after the game and I think over the next couple years, eventually getting there, we’re going to get really close," Goodwin said. "He’s a great guy and a great player to top it off. I’m really looking forward to that.”



Entire article: http://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...e-goodwin-put-on-show-in-head-to-head-matchup
 
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Just came in to be a debbie downer......with our 2017 and 2018 looking mostly in tact, that would 8 recruiting cycles with only 1 top 25 player (D'angelo).

That's all. Nothing ground breaking, just when I went thru the years and saw the names and the rankings, our records make more sense. Heck - before the last year or so, Matta's results outperform the parts that he was given. I think I'd be more open to keeping Matta if he had a staff overhaul, although I know that won't happen at this point.

Also, I miss Ken Johnson. Okay now really, that's it.
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
But Ken Johnson wasn't even a top-100 player. A total project who flourished. We could use a couple of projects to flourish again! :streetball:
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Ken was just fun to watch, much like the great Craig Krenzel.

We've had enough 'projects' over the last 7 years.....I've given up hope for them to flourish, outside of Tate who I love. I just have expectations for OSU basketball recruiting that aren't even close to approaching, and honestly it's unclear to me what the expectations are that the staff has for themselves. They seem to aim low, but I don't follow OSU recruiting nearly the same as I used to so maybe that's not the case and I'm just a Monday morning quarterback....errr....point guard?
 
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LitlBuck said:
I know that you have a much better pulse on recruiting than most anyone on this board so do you have any idea why Thad is missing out on the so-called "program changers". I am not that familiar with the guys that you mentioned, except Cohill, and just wonder if they are guys that might be one and done types of players. May be Matta is tired of recruiting those types of guys because, in a way, they have really short-circuited the program in the past by leaving after one year.
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If reaching the Dance and actually competing on a national scale is short-circuiting the program, sign me up for it. :ohbrother:
 
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