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Seattle WR Mike Williams (official thread)

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BuckWrestler141 said:
I guess i'll be the first to say that decision is a joke. He didn't even make a mistake. The court said he could go. He goes. The court says he can't. He gives everything back.

He's being punished for following the rules. Never did I think he would be barred from playing this year. It's baffling.

Sure he knew, this COULD happen but if he is anything like me I would have seen it as very unlikely, with this and the colorado player, and 5 wrestlers that were set to enter a fighting tournment (but told they couldn't less then 24 hours before hand, although they spent plenty of money training at a fighting school) all happening within the past month it seems like a nice black eye the NCAA's apperence should be given.
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I don't think it is a joke at all. What IS a joke is him expecting to come back to college football after he willfully left KNOWING full well what the NFL told him. He disregarded that and is now suffering the consequences. I have NO pity for him whatsoever. I think Pete Carroll's comments are ridiculous and just proves to me he has no understanding about the case in question and particularly, the NFL rules.

Never did I think he would be allowed back in.
 
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BuckWrestler141 said:
I guess i'll be the first to say that decision is a joke. He didn't even make a mistake. The court said he could go. He goes. The court says he can't. He gives everything back.

He's being punished for following the rules. Never did I think he would be barred from playing this year. It's baffling.

Sure he knew, this COULD happen but if he is anything like me I would have seen it as very unlikely...
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The NFL said from the very beginning and said it emphatically that they'd fight any ruling against them as far as they could, even to the Supreme Court if needed, and that's exactly what they did. This should've been no surprise whatsoever to Williams, even when the initial ruling in favor of Clarett came out. He burned his bridge once he declared his eligibility and got an agent, and he knew it.
 
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It's one thing to declare for the draft, and then ask to be reinstated when the rule gets changed. I think he might have been okay then.

It's another thing to take a LOT of money from an agent. If Williams didn't hire an agent until after he was drafted (which would have been tough, I agree), I think he'd have been reinstated. But he took (reportedly) hundreds of thousands of dollars.. even paying that back, it's wrong and he shouldn't get to play.
 
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I'm confilicted on this one. Kind of like Lloyd Carr going over a cliff in my new car.

On one hand he did assume the risk of challenging a standing NFL rule, he did take the agent money and he did sit out some time from school. Three things that tell me he isn't all that keen on staying at USC in the first place.

On the other hand it seems he only did so after MoC started the process and he was told it would be ok. If he gave all the money back and is still on pace academically I dont really see why the NCAA won't clear him. It seems to me his challenge of the rule isn't the issue, its the NCAA'a take on the reparations he made to regain his eligilbility.

All in all, if he didn't take the $$ and stop going to school untill it was a done deal he probably wouldn't be in this spot. Ok, I am not confilcted anymore, he can just lie in it.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
The NFL said from the very beginning and said it emphatically that they'd fight any ruling against them as far as they could.
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I understand this, but under the circumstances I view 'fight this' as him entering the NFL. Under the rare circumstances I don't think being admited back to USC should be questioned. Just my view on it, oh well, enough about it for me i'm back to thinking about the Cincy game.
 
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what few people realize is theres 2 seperate rules involved. Clarett challenged the NFL rules, and briefly won. then they were overturned. the NCAA rules about not hiring an agent NEVER changed. its not like he tried to abide by the new rules and they got changed on him......the NCAA rules NEVER CHANGED.
 
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BuckeyeNation27 said:
Clarett challenged the NFL rules, and briefly won. then they were overturned. the NCAA rules about not hiring an agent NEVER changed. its not like he tried to abide by the new rules and they got changed on him......the NCAA rules NEVER CHANGED.
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Thank you, BN27, for pointing this out. I cannot comprehend why there are people out there questioning this decision (to deny reinstatement). The whole way to work this morning, I listened to caller after caller on Mike & Mike bitch about how Williams never did anything wrong, blahblahblah. Then they started in with these stupid "if the speeding limit was lowered later in the day, can you still get a ticket for driving the original speed limit before they changed it?" Yeah, you could, if you father told you not to drive the damn car over a certain speed, and you did anyways - regardless of what the law says. The point is, the NFL has rules, and the NCAA has rules. The NFL's were briefly changed, and the NFL advised they were still fighting it. The NCAA NEVER changed their rules. Williams ignored the rules, so now he's paying the price. How the hell can anyone sympathize with that? I understand feeling bad for the kid, but he willfully chose this.
 
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I can't believe all the people that feel that the NCAA is so wrong. Having just moved to florida I listen to a local sports radio show and they were saying the NCAA is so wrong and blah blah blah. But this is coming from SEC supporters. Anyway he knew what could happen. You should always have a backup plan. Williams should have stayed in school and not hired an agent.
 
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Dunno

Jaxbuck said:
I'm confilicted on this one. Kind of like Lloyd Carr going over a cliff in my new car.
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Williams did everything in good faith. When it became apparent he might not be drafted, he fired his agent, gave back what money he had, got back in school, etc. Remember, at stake for Williams could be hundreds of thousands, if not a million or two in signing bonuses, if his draft status drops.

When the NCAA was deciding William's fate, they cited his "amateur" status. What a load of garbage. Let's face it, D-1 is the minor leagues for the NFL. If kids on football schollie were sooo interested in getting a great education, Northwestern, Harvard, and Stanford would have guys beating their doors down.

My biggest issue is with with the NCAA governing body. They sit there and pretend this is amateur sports when it clearly isn't anymore. They also waited until the team was getting on the plane before they handed down their ruling, which, cannot be appealed.

Williams played by the court's rules, and it will cost him. True, he could have stayed at USC the whole time, but with a 1st round draft contract looming, who wouldn't have made a similar decision. Really, what is left for him to accomplish at this level?

On the bright side, maybe USC will stuggle 1 or 2 game before playing Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl this year.
 
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The Cardinal Sin of the NCAA is signing with or having dealings with an agent. Williams assumed the risk when he went pro, if had any misgivings about the process he should have waited to sign with an agent until after he was drafted.
 
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For those of you who thought that Mike Williams got a raw deal, you should be listening to our favorite clowns Trev and May talk about the NCAA failing in their mission to protect Willams and how the NCAA showed "no heart" in their decision. Rece Davis was playing devil's advocate and said,

"But wouldn't the NCAA be undermining the ideal of the student athlete if they allowed Mike Williams, who dropped out of school and hired an agent, back?"

Total silence on the part of Tweedledee and Tweedledom.
 
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