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Sounds like Casey is finaly gone

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This is an absolute load of shit. Casey is the face of the franchise and the best bat handler on the team; deal Kearns, not Casey.

Dave Williams, Cincinnati fans, and Cincinnati ownership are in for a rude awakening. GABP will chew Williams up and spit him out:

Dave Williams (4th season in majors: 2005 w/ Pit):

#P/PA: 3.71
#P/IP: 16.0
K/9: 5.71
K/BB: 1.52
AVG: .261
OBP: .342
SLG: .453
G/F: 0.90

Eric Milton (4th season in majors: 2001 w/ Min):

#P/PA: 3.75
#P/IP: 16.0
K/9: 6.40
K/BB: 2.57
AVG: .257
OBP: .308
SLG: .446
G/F: 0.59

This comparison shows Milton and Williams in their fourth MLB seasons. A fairer comparison with each at the same age, years of experience, and without skewing Milton's numbers with the GABP-effect than using strictly '05 numbers. Not that PNC and the HHH are comparable parks, but it's certainly a better measure than PNC and the GABP.

While Eric Milton's 0.59 groundball-to-flyball ratio is comically awful, Williams' 0.90 isn't anything to write home about either. Anything below approx 1.25 will be a disaster in GABP (for comparisons sake, the StL Cards didn't have a starter with a G/F ratio worse than 1.5; Mulder posted a 2.5).

Statistically speaking, at the same age, WIlliams is inferior to Milton in every single important category. Sure, he's not a flyball pitcher to the extreme that Milton always has been, but he's a flyball pitcher nonetheless. He issues more walks, strikes out fewer, and tees up an insane number of doubles. He's Eric Milton with less control.

Williams will be in the minors before July.
 
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Dryden said:
This is an absolute load of shit. Casey is the face of the franchise and the best bat handler on the team; deal Kearns, not Casey.

Dave Williams, Cincinnati fans, and Cincinnati ownership are in for a rude awakening. GABP will chew Williams up and spit him out:

Dave Williams (4th season in majors: 2005 w/ Pit):

#P/PA: 3.71
#P/IP: 16.0
K/9: 5.71
K/BB: 1.52
AVG: .261
OBP: .342
SLG: .453
G/F: 0.90

Eric Milton (4th season in majors: 2001 w/ Min):

#P/PA: 3.75
#P/IP: 16.0
K/9: 6.40
K/BB: 2.57
AVG: .257
OBP: .308
SLG: .446
G/F: 0.59

This comparison shows Milton and Williams in their fourth MLB seasons. A fairer comparison with each at the same age, years of experience, and without skewing Milton's numbers with the GABP-effect than using strictly '05 numbers. Not that PNC and the HHH are comparable parks, but it's certainly a better measure than PNC and the GABP.

While Eric Milton's 0.59 groundball-to-flyball ratio is comically awful, Williams' 0.90 isn't anything to write home about either. Anything below approx 1.25 will be a disaster in GABP (for comparisons sake, the StL Cards didn't have a starter with a G/F ratio worse than 1.5; Mulder posted a 2.5).

Statistically speaking, at the same age, WIlliams is inferior to Milton in every single important category. Sure, he's not a flyball pitcher to the extreme that Milton always has been, but he's a flyball pitcher nonetheless. He issues more walks, strikes out fewer, and tees up an insane number of doubles. He's Eric Milton with less control.

Williams will be in the minors before July.
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Couldnt agree with you more. I don't understand why fucking ownership doesnt see we need groundball pitchers and not flyball.
 
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Reds finalize trade to send Casey to Pirates
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DALLAS (AP) - The Cincinnati Reds finalized their trade Thursday to send first baseman Sean Casey to the Pittsburgh Pirates for left-hander Dave Williams.

The deal had been tentatively agreed to Tuesday, subject to physicals.
Casey is a three-time All-Star and career .305 hitter who was among the most popular players on the Reds. He batted .312 last year with nine homers and 58 RBIs. A year earlier, he matched his career high of 99 RBIs and hit 24 homers, one shy of his best.

The 31-year-old Casey was acquired by Cincinnati from Cleveland in March 1998 and has spent his entire major league career with the Reds except for six games with the Indians in 1997. He is owed $8.5 million next season.

Having grown up in suburban Pittsburgh, Casey hit the first home run at PNC Park, an 8-2 Cincinnati win in April 2001. He went 4-for-4 with a two-run homer, two-run double and five RBIs in that game. He has 10 homers and 52 RBIs in 99 career games against Pittsburgh.

Casey's season ended because of a concussion that occurred in a Sept. 16 game in PNC Park. As third baseman Edwin Encarnacion's throw pulled Casey off the bag at first, Humberto Cota's left elbow accidentally struck Casey in the face. Casey lay motionless for about 10 minutes before being taken off the field on a stretcher.

Williams was 10-11 with a 4.41 ERA in 25 starts this year after not being assured of a spot in the rotation until the final week of spring training. He was drafted by the Pirates in 1998 and has a 17-26 record and 4.41 ERA in four major league seasons, missing more than half of the 2002 season for shoulder surgery before spending the entire 2003 season in the minors.
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It's not about who they got in return. It's about $$$$. I have no problem with the trade other than the fact that I liked Casey as a person.

I do have a problem with this, though:
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Yankees ship Womack to Reds</TD></TR><TR><TD height=7><SPACER height="1" width="1" type="block"></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD>By RONALD BLUM, AP Sports Writer
December 8, 2005
DALLAS (AP) -- The New York Yankees traded Tony Womack to the Cincinnati Reds on Thursday, getting rid of the second baseman-turned-outfielder just one season after signing him.
The trade was to be announced later Thursday, a high-ranking baseball official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the teams had not publicly confirmed the swap. It was not immediately known what the Yankees were getting in return.
Womack hit .307 to help St. Louis win the NL pennant in 2004, then became a free agent and signed a $4 million, two-year contract with the Yankees.
He was their starting second baseman for the first month of the season, but lost his job when the Yankees brought up rookie Robinson Cano. Womack wound up playing just 24 games in second and was shifted to the outfield, where he appeared 40 times in left, 22 in center and four in right. Womack wound up batting just .249 with 15 RBIs and 27 steals. He didn't get an at-bat during New York's five-game loss to the Los Angeles Angels in the first round of the playoffs.

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$2 million a year for a speedy, 36 year old second baseman with a career BA of .273 and a career OBP of .316???? Are we going to put him in the leadoff spot with that OBP? Hell, no. What good is speed if he can't get on base? Ryan Freel, on the other hand, is a career .276 hitter with a .369 OBP. I'd take Freel anyday.

If it turns out they gave up any sort of minor league pitching for Womack, I will drive down to Cincy and slap O'Brien like the bitch he is. :)
 
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Bucky Katt said:
If it turns out they gave up any sort of minor league pitching for Womack, I will drive down to Cincy and slap O'Brien like the bitch he is. :)
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:lol:


I have wanted to do that ever since I heard these words: 'The Reds are pleased to announce the free agent aquisition of Eric Milton...'

As for Casey: As a life long Reds fan from Cincinnati, I can say there isn't a more overrated player in baseball. If his batting average with RISP is so great, why only 50 something RBI?? How about setting a major league record for double plays? Forget the fact that he can't hit HR's, what happened to ANY of his power numbers like 2B's???

As a human being, I would want my daughters to marry a guy like Casey...but an 8mill punch and judy hitter? c'mon. The only reason he got that contract to begin with was Carl Linder liked him as a person and forced Jim Bowden to keep HIM and trade Paul Konerko. Lets see...Casey, Dunn, Griffey...3-4-5 hitters are all lefthanded???? No...Konerko couldn't have helped this team the last five years.

As for Williams...Honestly, I would have accepted a dozen baseballs, a fungo bat and a jar of Pine Tar in return for Sean Casey. :biggrin:
 
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I know they saved money by trading Casey! But damn, the guy's a three time allstar! To trade him and not get shit is crazy, I can't say I agree on the Womack trade either. He might help at second for a while, maybe.
 
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coastalbuck said:
I know they saved money by trading Casey! But damn, the guy's a three time allstar! To trade him and not get shit is crazy, I can't say I agree on the Womack trade either. He might help at second for a while, maybe.
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Man I just don't get it. Why do we need Womack. Why not just let the young guys develop and let Freel play second. Now once again Freel will have to prove that he needs to be on the field. It is the same fucking problem we had last year with fuckin' Rich Aurilla.

Why can't it be Lopez, EE, Freel, and I guess now Dunn. Now if Womack doesnt get playing time he will bitch and there will be drama in the club house once again. why not go get fucking pitching.

It reminds me of the god damn Browns how they refuse to get O-lineman when that is their problem year after year.

Thank goodness I only have to put up with one shitty front office.

Why don't they send Harang to Detroit and bring back Jimmy Haynes and sign Danny Graves off of waivers, and I am sure D'Fatso is waiting in AA to be brought up.

I am so pissed.
 
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The Tony Womack deal now makes sense to me after listening to Lance McCallister this afternoon...

The Reds, in the 11th hour, offered Rich Aruilla arbitration. That means he will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Womack and Freel both play the outfield...Now, they will both platoon in left field. (Freel-Righty;Womack-Lefty)

This means that Kearns or Pena will now be traded very soon.

Also, don't forget: The new ownership group used to be part owners of the St. Louis Cardinals when Womack hit .300 as an every day player in 2004
 
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Honor&Glory said:
The Tony Womack deal now makes sense to me after listening to Lance McCallister this afternoon...

The Reds, in the 11th hour, offered Rich Aruilla arbitration. That means he will be the 2nd baseman next season.

Womack and Freel both play the outfield...Now, they will both platoon in left field. (Freel-Righty;Womack-Lefty)

This means that Kearns or Pena will now be traded very soon.

Also, don't forget: The new ownership group used to be part owners of the St. Louis Cardinals when Womack hit .300 as an every day player in 2004
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Why keep Aurilla, why not play Freel everyday is my question. Our offense was obviously the best when he was on base and making things happen. Why do I have to sit and watch for a 3rd year in a row and say why is Freel not playing everyday. He does the little things and you need that on your team.

And I am sure if we trade Kearns we arent going to get anything better than Dave Williams, so I think it is all a lost cause.
 
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OK the womack deal cements beyond a shadow of a doubt that Dan O is BY FAR the biggest dipshit in the history of baseball. I fear how bad he will be ass raped if he tries to deal an outfielder.

Casey 8.5 M

Williams 1.1 M (iirc)
Aurilia 2M
Womack 1.1 M
cash to Pitt 2M

So we give up Casey and 2 minor leaguers for Womack, Williams and 2M in cash.

"What the mother fuck?", is all that comes to mind to say right now.

This franchise is headed to Clipperdom.
 
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