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The Polls (AP, Coaches, & CFP, etc.)

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Jagdaddy said:
Mandel's a moron. Carroll started at USC in 2001 so his USC teams would not have been in the playoff in the 1990s ever.
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So I spent some time yesterday coming up with my version of the final top-25. It's based on who did you beat, who did you lose to, and takes margin of victory/defeat as a secondary consideration. It doesn't care about the name on the jersey, what conference you play in, what happened last year or what might happen next year, or who your recruits have been. It also doesn't move a team down 'x' number of spots when they lose.

Head-to-head is not a tiebreaker. When comparing 3, 4, and 5 loss teams the body of work is the determining factor. Some 4-loss teams are above 3-loss teams because they played a couple more difficult games. This is also NOT intended to be a prediction.

Anyway, FWIW:

01. Alabama/Clemson Winner
02. Clemson/Alabama Loser
03. Ohio State
04. Oklahoma
05. Notre Dame
06. Georgia
07. LSU
08. Florida
09. UCF
10. Texas
11. Washington
12. Michigan
13. Washington State
14. Kentucky
15. Texas A&M
16. Syracuse
17. Penn State
18. Fresno State
19. West Virginia
20. Northwestern
21. Cincinnati
22. Iowa
23. Army
24. Stanford
25. Appalachian State

Just missed: Mississippi State, Oregon, NC State, Auburn, Boston College, Boise State
 
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lvbuckeye said:
Buckeyes would have been in the playoff in '93, '95, '96, '98. And Coop would have faceplanted in those games.
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This isn't entirely fair.

Coop was 3-8 in bowl games, but those three victories occurred in 1993, 1996, and 1998.

In 1993, #11 Ohio State won an ugly 7-point victory over an unranked 6-5 BYU team in the Holiday Bowl, so you can safely assume a faceplant in the playoffs.

In 1995, #4 Ohio State did faceplant, losing to #5 Tennessee in the Citrus Bowl.

In 1996, the tables were set for a 4-team playoff. #4 Ohio State defeated #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl, while #3 Florida beat #1 Florida State in the Sugar Bowl. Coop didn't faceplant in the Rose Bowl, so I'm not going to assume that he would've faceplanted against Florida in a hypothetical national championship game.

In 1998, #3 Ohio State beat #8 Texas A+M in the Sugar Bowl, while #1 Tennessee beat #2 Florida State in the Fiesta Bowl. That 1998 Tennessee team was one of the weakest national champions in my opinion, with lucky wins over Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas on their résumé, and a loaded Buckeye team could easily have knocked them off.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
This isn't entirely fair.

Coop was 3-8 in bowl games, but those three victories occurred in 1993, 1996, and 1998.

In 1993, #11 Ohio State won an ugly 7-point victory over an unranked 6-5 BYU team in the Holiday Bowl, so you can safely assume a faceplant in the playoffs.

In 1995, #4 Ohio State did faceplant, losing to #5 Tennessee in the Citrus Bowl.

In 1996, the tables were set for a 4-team playoff. #4 Ohio State defeated #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl, while #3 Florida beat #1 Florida State in the Sugar Bowl. Coop didn't faceplant in the Rose Bowl, so I'm not going to assume that he would've faceplanted against Florida in a hypothetical national championship game.

In 1998, #3 Ohio State beat #8 Texas A+M in the Sugar Bowl, while #1 Tennessee beat #2 Florida State in the Fiesta Bowl. That 1998 Tennessee team was one of the weakest national champions in my opinion, with lucky wins over Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas on their résumé, and a loaded Buckeye team could easily have knocked them off.
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1993 - Faceplant agreed.

1995 - Tennessee was a pretty good team. No way anyone beats Nebraska that year regardless & presumably we would have played the Huskers in the semifinal.

1996 - I agree

1998 I agree, and Tennessee really lucked out to not have to play FSU with Chris Weinke. Probably weakest NC team I remember next to Washington/Ga Tech year and BYU
 
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BB73 said:
So I spent some time yesterday coming up with my version of the final top-25. It's based on who did you beat, who did you lose to, and takes margin of victory/defeat as a secondary consideration. It doesn't care about the name on the jersey, what conference you play in, what happened last year or what might happen next year, or who your recruits have been. It also doesn't move a team down 'x' number of spots when they lose.

Head-to-head is not a tiebreaker. When comparing 3, 4, and 5 loss teams the body of work is the determining factor. Some 4-loss teams are above 3-loss teams because they played a couple more difficult games. This is also NOT intended to be a prediction.

Anyway, FWIW:

01. Alabama/Clemson Winner
02. Clemson/Alabama Loser
03. Ohio State
04. Oklahoma
05. Notre Dame
06. Georgia
07. LSU
08. Florida
09. UCF
10. Texas
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I hear ya, and a good effort. But I have to say at first blush that Texas beating both 4 and 6 might shove them above 10. And fuck the #5 Domers with a sideways cactus if a 35 point loss to scUM is a quality loss getting them to the bowl beat down and a #5 ranking.

And while I hate to say it, there is really nothing that makes gata 8 and Kentucky 14, given the identical win-loss records..... and the fact they beat Missouri who punked us, and the fact Kentucky - ya now - beat us in the swamp.

But like I say, well done. Always minor quibbling.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
This isn't entirely fair.

Coop was 3-8 in bowl games, but those three victories occurred in 1993, 1996, and 1998.

In 1993, #11 Ohio State won an ugly 7-point victory over an unranked 6-5 BYU team in the Holiday Bowl, so you can safely assume a faceplant in the playoffs.

In 1995, #4 Ohio State did faceplant, losing to #5 Tennessee in the Citrus Bowl.

In 1996, the tables were set for a 4-team playoff. #4 Ohio State defeated #2 Arizona State in the Rose Bowl, while #3 Florida beat #1 Florida State in the Sugar Bowl. Coop didn't faceplant in the Rose Bowl, so I'm not going to assume that he would've faceplanted against Florida in a hypothetical national championship game.

In 1998, #3 Ohio State beat #8 Texas A+M in the Sugar Bowl, while #1 Tennessee beat #2 Florida State in the Fiesta Bowl. That 1998 Tennessee team was one of the weakest national champions in my opinion, with lucky wins over Syracuse, Florida, and Arkansas on their résumé, and a loaded Buckeye team could easily have knocked them off.
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Yes, the '98 Tenn team sucked and OSU would have beaten them but let's be real.

It's John F Cooper and big games we are talking about here.

He would have found a way to lose.
 
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